Was wondering if anyone with technical knowledge could help me with a couple of question in regards to the Media Orientated System Transport Network on the Freelander 2.

In the situation of a MOST network failure, after resetting power supply via AJB and forcing a Ring Break Diagnostic does the fault code information become available via the "E Mode" menu on the touchscreen or does a MOST tester have to be connected to the system to access the fault codes from the integrated control module?
If so how is this device attached? - via the USB port?
I was of the understanding the OBD port doesn't handle MOST diagnostics.



As the network travels only in 1 direction, each module only has one tx and rx fibre optic attachment. Any advice of online suppliers of inline patch adaptors/plug in loom?


Software - how is the MOST network software updated or flashed. Can the software be changed, updated to different versions?

Any shared knowledge be greatly appreciated.

Stu MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)

Well! Looks like a "to hard basket" question so I'll
Just have to keep hitting the books/Internet  MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)

Stuartc wrote:

Was wondering if anyone with technical knowledge could help me with a couple of question in regards to the Media Orientated System Transport Network on the Freelander 2.

Stuartc wrote:

In the situation of a MOST network failure, after resetting power supply via AJB and forcing a Ring Break Diagnostic does the fault code information become available via the "E Mode" menu on the touchscreen or does a MOST tester have to be connected to the system to access the fault codes from the integrated control module?

Stuartc wrote:

If so how is this device attached? - via the USB port?

Stuartc wrote:

I was of the understanding the OBD port doesn't handle MOST diagnostics.

Stuartc wrote:

As the network travels only in 1 direction, each module only has one tx and rx fibre optic attachment. Any advice of online suppliers of inline patch adaptors/plug in loom?

Stuartc wrote:

Software - how is the MOST network software updated or flashed. Can the software be changed, updated to different versions?

Thxs Cambo for replying thought you'd be the one to offer some help after seeing you retofit the bluetooth module.

"What are my goals here"?
Namely not in any order

1. To educate myself about the vehicles technology as ive come to realize that the dealers really don't have sufficient knowledge, skill or time to really offer assistance. They just want to plug it in change oil and hand over the cash.

2. Evoque runs identical system but has "extra features" softkey to activate 4x4 screen and Reverse camera whilst in forward motion. There is no reason for, at least a MY15 FL2 vehicle not to have this other than software differences, so i would like to be able to understand enough to be able to find this out. This is a handy feature if you have a fully loaded cargo area and need to see directly behind you.

3. At some stage i would like to retrofit the DAB module which sits on top of the amplifier in the rear cargo area. The only real barrier to me doing this is that the rear ICE harness has to be changed which runs from the main ICE dash connection at the gearshift to the rear of the vehicle connecting the modules and aerials. The new Harness is just under $1,300 and involves removing the interior basically. The only difference between the Analogue Harness in Australian build cars LR051601 and the digital harness LR051600 is the MOST loop fiber optic cable. As the DAB module only requires a TX/RX MOST connection, permanent MOST power supply, ground and 2 aerial connections (Satellite dome and DAB amplifier, which are present and already connected) I would like to use the MOST connection to the amplifier to remove either the TX or RX cable to include the DAB module, thus integrating the DAB module into the MOST loop and negating the need to purchase a whole new harness.

4. Recently learnt that due to JLRA wanting to avoid litigation from a buyer having an accident whilst entering a destination via the Voice Activation System the ability to enter a destination via postcode, street address or POI's have been deleted from all JLRA products which obviously means we run a different software version. Australian Software only allows a saved "home or voicetag" entries to be activated by voice command. Post code, street address and POI's can only be entered via touch screen. Dealer has told me that they cannot change this version and i'm assuming this would make them liable otherwise. This software version would be located in the MOST Integrated Head Unit/control module of which the version information is available from the touch screen E Mode main menu.

So, as you can see these are the reasons why i need to understand the technology. I also like a project and whilst any of these aren't necessary I enjoy a challenge as well as the project.
And as you say "because it's more or less a uniform platform across the range, options in one vehicle, could be activated in another". JLR/JLRA offer options in one and not the other purely for product/model differentiation thus its just a case of identifying the software and initiating, in most cases. MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)

I have no idea if it will work, but its software we are talkin about.. can the touch screen handle diffrent software?
take the evoque touch screen software and try and flash it to your screen and see what happens, if it fails, then just flash the orig file back. But perhaps then you should run SDD in "backdoor mode"

Mr.P

I'd suggest the answers lie with QNX http://www.qnx.com/products/qnxcar/index.html

I'm aware that BlackBerry are heavily into 'The Internet of Things' and QNX are big players in critical medical software as well as vehicles. I don't know if they allow mere mortals anywhere near the coding to interfere with the software, but they obviously do a great deal of systems integration, so there must be ways to upate or engineer the software Td4 XS manual, Orkney Grey, MY2014

Cool, this should be fun

Stuartc wrote:

2. Evoque runs identical system but has "extra features" softkey to activate 4x4 screen and Reverse camera whilst in forward motion. There is no reason for, at least a MY15 FL2 vehicle not to have this other than software differences, so i would like to be able to understand enough to be able to find this out. This is a handy feature if you have a fully loaded cargo area and need to see directly behind you.

Stuartc wrote:

3. At some stage i would like to retrofit the DAB module which sits on top of the amplifier in the rear cargo area. The only real barrier to me doing this is that the rear ICE harness has to be changed which runs from the main ICE dash connection at the gearshift to the rear of the vehicle connecting the modules and aerials. The new Harness is just under $1,300 and involves removing the interior basically. The only difference between the Analogue Harness in Australian build cars LR051601 and the digital harness LR051600 is the MOST loop fiber optic cable. As the DAB module only requires a TX/RX MOST connection, permanent MOST power supply, ground and 2 aerial connections (Satellite dome and DAB amplifier, which are present and already connected) I would like to use the MOST connection to the amplifier to remove either the TX or RX cable to include the DAB module, thus integrating the DAB module into the MOST loop and negating the need to purchase a whole new harness.

Stuartc wrote:

4. Recently learnt that due to JLRA wanting to avoid litigation from a buyer having an accident whilst entering a destination via the Voice Activation System the ability to enter a destination via postcode, street address or POI's have been deleted from all JLRA products which obviously means we run a different software version. Australian Software only allows a saved "home or voicetag" entries to be activated by voice command. Post code, street address and POI's can only be entered via touch screen. Dealer has told me that they cannot change this version and i'm assuming this would make them liable otherwise. This software version would be located in the MOST Integrated Head Unit/control module of which the version information is available from the touch screen E Mode main menu.

Stuartc wrote:

And as you say "because it's more or less a uniform platform across the range, options in one vehicle, could be activated in another". JLR/JLRA offer options in one and not the other purely for product/model differentiation thus its just a case of identifying the software and initiating, in most cases.

Yes, your correct the Evoque has an 8" screen but the operating system it runs is exactly the same as FL2. Same camera system aswell unless you option for the surround camera option. The single camera version is able to be activated from the screen, via the "Extra Features" softkey whereas the FL2 camera disengages as soon as forward speed goes above 5km/h. No option to activate whilst travelling forward.

That be great Cambo if you could put me in touch as I really need to get my head around the technology so i can better understand and then whats possible.
I've sort of got my head around the MOST, the MOST 3 way cable is on its way, i'm pretty confident with automotive wiring and schematics, Topix but i need to get my head around SSD and how software is identified and flashing to vehicle. I'm going to purchase a Gap Diagnostic IID Tool in the future.

I'm also be in the market for a DAB Module and as there are no Freelander 2's in Australia with DAB I was wondering if Jag used the same module. Can I ask who you used to source module's who could be of assistance. Otherwise I'll need to get a new one.

Appreciate your help  MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)

Yes, your correct the Evoque has an 8" screen but the operating system it runs is exactly the same as FL2. Same camera system aswell unless you option for the surround camera option. The single camera version is able to be activated from the screen, via the "Extra Features" softkey whereas the FL2 camera disengages as soon as forward speed goes above 5km/h. No option to activate whilst travelling forward.

That be great Cambo if you could put me in touch as I really need to get my head around the technology so i can better understand and then whats possible.
I've sort of got my head around the MOST, the MOST 3 way cable is on its way, i'm pretty confident with automotive wiring and schematics, Topix but i need to get my head around SSD and how software is identified and flashing to vehicle. I'm going to purchase a Gap Diagnostic IID Tool in the future.

I'm also be in the market for a DAB Module and as there are no Freelander 2's in Australia with DAB I was wondering if Jag used the same module. Can I ask who you used to source module's who could be of assistance. Otherwise I'll need to get a new one.

Appreciate your help  MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)

Stuartc wrote:

Yes, your correct the Evoque has an 8" screen but the operating system it runs is exactly the same as FL2. Same camera system aswell unless you option for the surround camera option. The single camera version is able to be activated from the screen, via the "Extra Features" softkey whereas the FL2 camera disengages as soon as forward speed goes above 5km/h. No option to activate whilst travelling forward.

Stuartc wrote:

That be great Cambo if you could put me in touch as I really need to get my head around the technology so i can better understand and then whats possible.

Stuartc wrote:

I've sort of got my head around the MOST, the MOST 3 way cable is on its way, i'm pretty confident with automotive wiring and schematics, Topix but i need to get my head around SSD and how software is identified and flashing to vehicle. I'm going to purchase a Gap Diagnostic IID Tool in the future.

Stuartc wrote:

I'm also be in the market for a DAB Module and as there are no Freelander 2's in Australia with DAB I was wondering if Jag used the same module. Can I ask who you used to source module's who could be of assistance. Otherwise I'll need to get a new one.

Hi Cambo, just seen your reply will get back to you a little later on those points
Interesting enough just found a Gen 2.1 HHD update which included LR2/Freelander 2 Meridian compatitability.





I've currently got an Evoque as mines in getting tow hitch fitted (I'm a lazy git/house renovations taking too much time) I'm going to go into the E Mode menu and check which version software it's running and check against the Freelander. MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)

Well that's a good sign!

If indeed the hardware is the same, then it will be possible to flash the Evoque firmware in, it's just a matter of identifying the files used by the Evoque.

The file names for the firmware version will be a similar format to the hardware names, like CX23-14F667-AJ, same sort of format. I don't know if you'll be able to see that via the touchscreen, generally it can only be read with SDD (or maybe a Nanocom?) 2008 Freelander 2 HSE Si6 Black/Black - Hers
2009 Jaguar XKR 4.2 S/C Portfolio
2005 Jaguar XJR 4.2 S/C Black/Cranberry
2005 Jaguar X-Type 3.0L AWD - Gone

Cambo wrote:

[The user interface might appear to be the same but the hardware & firmware might be different. I've been told that the Freelander and Evoque have different sound system and intertainent system. Evoque was the first car in JLR with installed GEN2.1 IAM2.1 head unit. Freelander had the MMM2 Volvo system (but I think that means the older, pre-Meridian systems).]

MY13 onwards the Freelander 2 and Evoque shared the same Meridian system.
Overall Software Version Evoque - 5230_140422
Freelander 2 - 4662_140611
Field Programmable Gateway Array and Video FPGA are different
Touch Firmware ID, Build is identical for both - 1.1, 0xAB

What components / part numbers have you cross checked between the Evoque and the Freelander 2?

Havn't checked any components between Evoque and Freelander 2 as yet.


I'm not familar with the Gap IID, but the JLR SDD is what these guys use for programming and retrofitting the sound systems, I don't know if the Gap can do the same things. I imagine not, a Nanocom probably could but for the costs involved SDD is a better option for late model cars. I think so anyhow.

This is where im needing to swat up on. Ive only searched online for SSD, is this something that you can run on your laptop to communicate with vehicle through OBD port? Whats the best way to start off with learning about this? Does it require a paid subscription?

If you have a Land Rover part number I can cross check it against the Jag part numbers. I prefer buying stuff second hand (because of price), but it depends on what's available.

Ok Cambo, been trolling the internet and have been looking at SDD.
Where do i download the software from?
I'll need a OBD2??? cable? Any suggestions for OBD2 cable, any advice for/against/avoid? MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)

The software versions mentioned don't tell me much unfortunately...

I'll send you a PM about the software and interfaces.

Regarding the DAB modules.

LR055684 is the same part as Jaguar C2D37612, which is superceded by C2D43035/LR065726, these are the DAB receivers from the Jaguar XF (big surprise!) but also used in the XJ, F-Type, probably the XE as well.

Interesting when I look at the F-Type parts, there is a note about the entertainment system changing to the "infotainment gen 2.1 head unit" for the newest models. I don't know exactly what the version was before that, or it could just be some random stuff in the catalog.

So I guess if you can find a DAB module from a late model XF, XJ or F-Type then you might be OK.

For the Jag's it's noted there are some different versions too;

HD Radio
SDARS
DAB <<-- this is the C2D43035

I know that for the earlier cars there were different systems for different markets, and that's where the SDARS came in.

Are you 100% sure that DAB is the right thing for Australia, not SDARS or HD Radio (whatever that is!) 2008 Freelander 2 HSE Si6 Black/Black - Hers
2009 Jaguar XKR 4.2 S/C Portfolio
2005 Jaguar XJR 4.2 S/C Black/Cranberry
2005 Jaguar X-Type 3.0L AWD - Gone