I first noticed it just after it was out of warranty and saw the many threads from others saying the dealers pushed back and blamed driving style, so i just put up with it as i did not want to pay for a new clutch only to have it go again in another 25k miles. Now its another 2 years and 20k miles later and i just live with it.
Nigel

In the latest months I've played a little bit with Freelander's engine maps (EDC16 variants) using WinOLS.

For the automatic gearbox the final torque limitation is sent to the ECU from the TCM (Transmission Control Module) module.

For the manual gearbox an additional torque limiter exist as follow:

- gears R, N and 1 max. torque is 270 Nm
- gears 2, 3, 4, 5 max. torque is 380 Nm
- gear 6 max. torque is 1000 Nm (this peak will never be touched due to other limiters)

- when trailer is connected max torque is limited to 500Nm

So if my maps description is correct, I repeat "if", then with the trailer, manual gearbox should be capable to endure 500Nm of torque.

countax wrote:

Fix the clutch with what, the same spec components that can't handle the peak torque in 5th or 6th? Or have JLR up rated the clutch in the spare parts department and i am not aware of it?
Nigel

Im currently looking at possibly having to replace my DMF, clutch and slave on my 2008MY GS Manual, 65k on the clock, last 20k on motorway/dual carriagway.

No idea how the previous 2 owners drove it !!

FL2Printzern wrote:

countax wrote:

Fix the clutch with what, the same spec components that can't handle the peak torque in 5th or 6th? Or have JLR up rated the clutch in the spare parts department and i am not aware of it?
Nigel

Hi! Two years ago I replaced the original clutch including DMF with this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FREELANDER-2-2-T...OC:US:3160


I think the rest of the kit was LUK too, but I am a little unsure about that. (cannot find the link at the moment.)

The car is at 451Nm and 196Hp and there is no slip in 5 and 6 gear. (Measured on a really hot summer day on a Sun 4x rolling road)
The original clutch started to slip as soon as I got pass 160Hp

Found the rest of the order. It was from Famous Four.

FF006319 Slave Cylinder
> Qty: 1 Vehicle: Freelander 2
> Price: 49.00 GBP
>
> FF006317 Clutch Kit
> Qty: 1 Vehicle: Freelander 2
> Price: 135.00 GBP KIT

No problem with this.

atlas wrote:

In the latest months I've played a little bit with Freelander's engine maps (EDC16 variants) using WinOLS.

For the automatic gearbox the final torque limitation is sent to the ECU from the TCM (Transmission Control Module) module.

For the manual gearbox an additional torque limiter exist as follow:

- gears R, N and 1 max. torque is 270 Nm
- gears 2, 3, 4, 5 max. torque is 380 Nm
- gear 6 max. torque is 1000 Nm (this peak will never be touched due to other limiters)

- when trailer is connected max torque is limited to 500Nm

So if my maps description is correct, I repeat "if", then with the trailer, manual gearbox should be capable to endure 500Nm of torque.

Hmm... can't say for sure. Question is, when the trailer is connected what are the gears with altered figure of 500 Nm ? I doubt you'll need it in the 6th gear.

With the mention that in the manual gearbox case, the engine ECU doesn't know for sure on which gear you are, except for the 1st and reverse where are switches for that. Exactly for torque limiting purposes.
Indeed, you can monitor load, road speed and engine RPM to "compute" the gear, but is not always a reliable method.

After reading, on another Post, that some fuel filler caps don`t vent properly ( my cap had an inrush of air when removed) I replaced the cap and now the problem of poor take off has been solved. Not the ECU programing but fuel stavation.
Thank you Freelander2.com

dorsetfreelander wrote:

As someone who has had two FL2s with gearbox problems requiring a rebuild I was wondering whether the unit is actually up to the job. Having to restrict engine torque via the engine management system sounds like an afterthought by the designers when they realised that someone had screwed up. Discuss

dorsetfreelander wrote:

As someone who has had two FL2s with gearbox problems requiring a rebuild I was wondering whether the unit is actually up to the job. Having to restrict engine torque via the engine management system sounds like an afterthought by the designers when they realised that someone had screwed up. Discuss

All this talk of failing clutches etc had me worried for a moment. Then I remembered the number of people that pull alongside me on the steep hills in and around Hastings and never use their hand brake. Some balance their car on the clutch for ages waiting for the lights to change. It's no suprise to me that so many clutches wear out under 60K miles.
ADVICE:- never buy a car from a hilly area.

Thats because some folk havent the slightest clue how a car works, if they did they wouldnt do half the things they do.

Or, as one person remarked to me......"I'm hopeless at hill starts".