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Marksovereign



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Superchips Bluefin Remap for My 2011 TD4

I'm just contemplating having a Superchips Bluefin Remap done on my manual 2011 TD4.
Id be interested in hearing anyone experience with he Superchip/Bluefin offering as to driveavbility and any issues with it.
I had read there was a problem with the manuals due to the torque limits on the manual gear box in 1st and 2nd gears but is appears that might have been sorted.
Your comments would be really welcomed

Post #277962 7th Oct 2015 3:13 pm
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SYFL2



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Well you said comments welcome so here's mine,leave it as it is.

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druand



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Metropolis



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I have to agree with the comments above. Motor manufacturers rarely extract every last ounce of power from an engine/drivetrain setup for good reason (let's not mention emissions Whistle). The components are designed for a certain power output (plus a margin) and you have no way of knowing whether the chipping will result in you exceeding those limits.

Proceed at your own risk, but I suspect if it goes wrong, you'll be the one picking up the bill.

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choccymonster



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I say go for it if you can afford it.

Super chips are a well known manufacturer, with plenty of success stories behind them, including many on here.

If your vehicle is still in warranty, bear in mind that LR won't be particularly interested in any warranty claims relating to your power/drive train, but as long as you're aware of that......

I ran a Focus ST with a Bluefin remap (and lots of other goodies) that ultimately put out 400bhp and nearly 500lbft of torque for many years with no drivetrain issues.

Not the same vehicle, obviously - but I wouldn't have any issue putting a Bluefin remap on the FL2 for that very reason.

My only reservation is the cost - I have a hard time justifying the £300 outlay on a remap for this type of car.

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npinks



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Didn't do my td4 auto any harm, didn't increase fuel economy either Laughing

only had the rear diff fixed twice and a turbo fix twice but neither time did they ask me anything about remaps, but then the cars didn't have it on when they had it in the service bay

Don't think the current Sd4 needs anything like this though Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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pab



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Maximum torque from the standard TD4 is 400Nm. Maximum torque capacity of the manual gearbox is 380Nm. So Land Rover already seem to be pushing the limits a bit! (Figures from topix.) Given that, anything which further increases torque would seem risky, particularly when the potential for clutch and flywheel problems is also taken into account. You might get away with it, or you might be in for some big repair bills!

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taztastic



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The torque in first gear is limited, not sure how, I guess in the factory map.

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pcheaven



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some interesting stuff here from Alex re Torque in 1st gear

http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic23228.html 

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pab wrote:
Maximum torque from the standard TD4 is 400Nm. Maximum torque capacity of the manual gearbox is 380Nm. So Land Rover already seem to be pushing the limits a bit! (Figures from topix.) Given that, anything which further increases torque would seem risky, particularly when the potential for clutch and flywheel problems is also taken into account. You might get away with it, or you might be in for some big repair bills!



so that would explain why my standard 2008 TD4 blew the slave cylinder DMF and clutch at only 60k, followed by rear diff bearings.
Why on earth would LR produce a car that pushes out more torque than the transmission can handle ??? bunch of idiots!!

Knew I should have gone for Censored auto !!!! Rolling with laughter

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dorsetfreelander



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Dartman the one



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RogB wrote:
pab wrote:
Maximum torque from the standard TD4 is 400Nm. Maximum torque capacity of the manual gearbox is 380Nm. So Land Rover already seem to be pushing the limits a bit! (Figures from topix.) Given that, anything which further increases torque would seem risky, particularly when the potential for clutch and flywheel problems is also taken into account. You might get away with it, or you might be in for some big repair bills!



so that would explain why my standard 2008 TD4 blew the slave cylinder DMF and clutch at only 60k, followed by rear diff bearings.
Why on earth would LR produce a car that pushes out more torque than the transmission can handle ??? bunch of idiots!!

Knew I should have gone for Censored auto !!!! Rolling with laughter

It may well be the torque is reduced by the ECU at certain RPM in certain gears my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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dorsetfreelander



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We have had a 10 reg and an 11 reg that both had to have recon gearboxes, both with the same fault - wouldn't go into or stay in 5th. Clutches were OK at the time. Our 08 and 60 reg cars driven by same people were OK. I wonder if this could have been related to the torque issue ? I believe that manual gearbox problems are fairly rare with FL2. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
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Dartman the one



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I would suggest the problem was on the tolerances of the synchro rings and the synchro cones, a common problem in 60's and 7o's cars my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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Marksovereign



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pcheaven wrote:
some interesting stuff here from Alex re Torque in 1st gear

http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic23228.html

Hmm isn't there just!!
One of the few things I dislike about the Freelander is its pitiful performance below 1100 rpm and pulling out from junctions hence looking at remapping!

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