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Chuckalicious



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Service dept called back. Happy to test drive it and see how it feels. If they warrant it needing more investigation it would require removal which apparently takes 6 hours of labour for removal and refit.

As usual if a failed component it may be covered. If not, would have to foot the bill. She also said if it was out due to the labour costs itd make sense to replace it anyway.

Those are not costs I am able to cover at the moment but I will take it in to have someone test drive it. That will at least let me know. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #266302 8th Jun 2015 3:16 pm
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Spatch



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May or may not be the same thing but I had a judder when engaging clutch, most noticeable between 1st and 2nd and under load (i.e towing) or going up hill, when trying to reengage quickly so as to lose as little momentum as possible. Didn't do it all the time.

The dealer has changed clutch and DMF and I thought it had fixed it but it still does it! It has improved it but not cured it. Thing is, what else can it be now???? Gearbox or engine mount? Will be going in again for further investigation. BMW X3 30d M Sport - Current (problem free)
2014 SD4 Auto HSE Lux - Gone (too many problems)
2012 TD4 Manual XS - Gone (too many problems)

Post #266309 8th Jun 2015 5:36 pm
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Chuckalicious



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Was out with an LR tech this morning so he could test drive my car. He agreed the clutch was very heavy and handy felt one like it before, bit felt that the clutch itself felt ok in terms of driving. As there was no judder or clutch slip he said if it was his car he would leave it until it showed other symptoms which would help with a warranty claim. Because it is only a slight issue just now the cost in labour alone to investigate would not be worth it.

He did say the heaviness of the clutch could be the bearing that puts pressure on the clutch being faulty, which would likely be covered under warranty due to the low mileage, but again too risky if I'm not in a position to pay up if not covered under warranty or no fault found. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #266674 12th Jun 2015 11:20 am
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As I recall the engine management is linked to the clutch and adjusts the revs during gear changes. Thus making double declutching pointless. Some time since I bought the manual MY07, but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Might it be relevant? Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

Post #266786 13th Jun 2015 9:19 pm
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Chuckalicious



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No idea! I know sweet fa about this kind of thing! FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

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littletriple



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Past master wrote:
As I recall the engine management is linked to the clutch and adjusts the revs during gear changes. Thus making double declutching pointless. Some time since I bought the manual MY07, but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Might it be relevant?


Really? Shocked
Hard to see how that would work. I haven't noticed anything of the like on mine. Engine speed seems to follow the throttle irrespective of any clutch action. I also tend to ddc when its cold as the changes seem easier.

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littletriple



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Past master wrote:
As I recall the engine management is linked to the clutch and adjusts the revs during gear changes. Thus making double declutching pointless. Some time since I bought the manual MY07, but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Might it be relevant?


Really? Shocked
Hard to see how that would work. I haven't noticed anything of the like on mine. Engine speed seems to follow the throttle irrespective of any clutch action. I also tend to ddc when its cold as the changes seem easier.

Post #267114 17th Jun 2015 1:02 pm
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Hmmm. I can't find any reference to this but I would not have made it up (Land Rovers do not normally figure in my dreams). It may well be that the recollection is confused and I'm referring to something else entirely. I do remember that my initial reaction was similar to yours, which is why I remember reading it! Perhaps I've just got it wrong.
Edit - I may have been reading about "Active surge damping", which isn't quite the same thing, but might, for example, prevent a surge in revs if you declutch without taking your foot off the gas. See http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=108105
OK, probably not relevant. Sorry. Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

Post #267137 17th Jun 2015 4:10 pm
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OK, it's known as surge damping. I can only find a reference to the TD5 but suspect that it's the same on our machine. See the last page of this article: http://www.thong.dk/laro/Kobling_Land_Rover.pdf
A switch in the hydraulic system tells the engine management system the clutch is depressed and prevents over-revving. Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

Post #267142 17th Jun 2015 4:47 pm
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littletriple



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Hmmm, sounds like a gimmick for the incompetent. So if you leave your foot on the floor while changing up the system will cut the revs for the next ratio? Could be useful if you are eating your breakfast cereal while driving I suppose...
I wonder what happens when you want to drop a cog & deliberately blip the throttle? I guess if you time your changes properly you might never encounter this particular Nanny.

Don't you just dream of some extra cylinders & interstellar reliability instead of all this pointless tech!! Sad

Post #267164 17th Jun 2015 8:19 pm
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Mikey



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It was needed in the TD5, as the engine revs would "stick" high for a second when changing gear. The pressure sensor cut the revs when it saw the throttle angle decrease, to make gear changes smoother Thumbs Up

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littletriple



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But why? Too much hysteresis in the throttle system? Do FL2s have it?

Post #267176 17th Jun 2015 8:41 pm
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I suspect that they do,- I used to have a TD5, but it was an auto, so this information would have been irrelevant. My first FL2 was a manual version, and my memory is of reading this information on acquiring that car. Can't see it in the owner's handbook though, so I don't know where it came from! Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

Post #267244 18th Jun 2015 3:27 pm
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Chuckalicious



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Thanks for the suggestions. Certainly the stiff clutch pedal has been "felt" by enough people for it not to be my seating position. I have altered my seat though which has helped with other things.

As for not quite changing at the right time or not getting enough/too much revs, it is perfectly possible. When you say blip the throttle, what do you mean? FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #267580 21st Jun 2015 2:09 pm
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Chuckalicious



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Thanks for the explanation. I actually already do that, maybe not perfectly but I rarely lift off the gas when changing. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Post #267686 22nd Jun 2015 10:41 am
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