Purplemadboy wrote:

Realspeed ,it's law that you can't dive deep unless you pass the tests, it's a very dangerous sport . If you want to go and buy all the gear and dive ,go knock yourself out , to me that's a very foolish idea. You can't go and hire gear without showing you're diving log book .

realspeed wrote:

Many years ago (15+ at least) I bought a Citizen Eco Drive watch with titanium coated metal strap for around £100 and it has never let me down. OK short months I had to alter the date for the following month but that is common on most watches. It has been dropped by accident several times, stood up to vibration when using a power drill and never given a moments trouble.

I have to say it is the most reliable watch I have ever owned and needs no batteries either nor winding up

Had a cheap Accurist which put up with everything from diving to skydiving. Never missed a beat. Had the battery replaced at a local jeweler and remained water tight (certainly to a few metres).
Replaced eventually with an early Seiko Kinetic. Never needed a battery, remained waterproof and was accurate to a few seconds every year.
Stupidly replaced with a mechanical Tag Heuer. Water proof and looks nice. Gains time like Dr Who. 5 minutes a month perhaps. Not worth the silly money I paid for it. So much so I'm thinking of flogging it (they seem to keep their value well at least) and getting another Seiko or Accurist/Citizen etc.

so basically if i have read it right Realspeed

you are quite within your personal rights to buy as much deep sea diving gear and use it without the right qualifications, as long as the water is no higher than 3 inchs in a bath

to be honest, i know what your saying about big brother, but the way I look at this, is, the qualifications are there to save you from killing yourself and then someone spending money and risking their life recovering you Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

stooby wrote:

Stupidly replaced with a mechanical Tag Heuer. Water proof and looks nice. Gains time like Dr Who. 5 minutes a month perhaps.

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qualifications are there to save you from killing yourself and then someone spending money and risking their life recovering you

Great tip Badger, ill give it a try for my watch. Nothing special, a Russian made watch by Vostok, but it likes to gain a minute or two a day. Black MY2013 SD4 GS Auto, Wood Company Armrest, Freel2 sticker.
Gone MY2010 Freelander 2 Manual TD4.e S, Alaska White.

Thanks Badger!

As it happens my watch is always face up on the bedside table. So either it would gain much more if I turned it over or perhaps I need to turn it over to have the desired effect?
I'll give it a try and see if it makes a difference.

Stuart

pab wrote:

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qualifications are there to save you from killing yourself and then someone spending money and risking their life recovering you

I agree to a point, but there is a difference between actually knowing what you're doing and having some particular piece of paper which allows you to do some particular thing. You can know what you're doing but not have the piece of paper.

For example, my degree course included a year of electrical engineering - including circuit design, messing around with high-voltage, single-phase and 3-phase supplies, etc. That's way more than the average electrician will have done. And yet I'm not allowed to add a socket to my home because I don't have the right piece of paper!

That's the trouble with this kind of bureaucracy - it can't distinguish between knowledge, ability and certification. Like Realspeed I find it very frustrating at times.

I've worked in electrics and electronics, completed a 5 year apprenticeship that today money can't buy, I was taught to weld, turn, mill and fit in my first 18 months which I have kept up, this allows me to make my own water gauge, test gas integrity, wire a plug or socket, including rewire the whole house, with a bit of help from the internet I can find the latest standards, wiring codes, gas losses over any time period and and the latest specifications. I don't know the regulations on working to heights, but I do know if I fall off the wrong way over 2m it hurts and could be fatal. Common sense says self preservation comes first and your mate comes secondary, unless you're in charge and can't blame anyone else, recourse to law is not a great satisfaction if you're dead, to you or your family. Let Darwin rule and the world eventually becomes a better and safer place, the idiots with certificates will still die no matter what rules or laws are made or passed  my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

realspeed please don't watch  Do it now ! Your a long time dead !!