I wonder if there care any LR insiders who can throw a little more light on the likely engines offered with 2015 DS's?

The motoring press have decided that LR will fit existing FL2 engines in the launch year. That would seem a very feeble strategy for selling a band-new LR model. Some on here have suggest that many LR owners don't know or care about engines. That may well be true technically, but many will be seeking better fuel economy, co2 emissions and tax advantages.

If there is a projected "shortage" of new Ingenium engines for the DS, maybe its just one fuel type (diesel), with a good petrol alternative on offer initially?

I would certainly NOT waste my money on a shiny new DS with an existing LR2 engine!  Life is not a dress rehearsal!

I'm sure many will be happy to have DS with the current engine range but I don't we'll see some of the true benefits of DS until the new engines have arrived. A new range of engines is not something to rush but something to get right. The urgency is to get the Ingenium engines into jaguar as the impact there will be on fleet sales.

Volvo have a new range of engines too..they are gradually rolling out through the range and what a difference they are making you can now get a V40/V60 auto D4 (0-60 in around 7secs) with a CO2 of under 120.

Hopefully the new Ingneium range will have the same kind of impact.

I'd say it's a shame that the DS won't come with the new engines at the start..but it will give an added boost a year later.

I seem to recall that when Vauxhall/Opel launched the new Vectra back in 2002, they ran the diesel with the old 2.2 lump. The common rail 1.9 CDTi didn't arrive until 2004, some 18 months after launch. By this time, Fleets had bought into the concept and ordered thousands of them, at the same time helping VX reduce their old engine units. It was a great strategy that worked for them, so I am sure similarly could work for JLR as well. Foraging near Gaydon....
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For those of us who tow caravans/horse boxes/heavy trailers the existing engines high torque output is important. If the new engines sacrifice torque for economy, then the DS with the present engine would still be attractive. If it also came with the 8 speed auto it would be even more attractive.
My only criticism of the FL2 is the relatively small boot, - this seems to be improved on the new DS.

Wish you wouldn't call it DS, reminds me of the old Citroens

"Wish you wouldn't call it DS, reminds me of the old Citroens"

Tbf it was LR who decided on naming it Discovery Sport, and that is sorta long to keep using in posts!  Life is not a dress rehearsal!

Discovery Sport short form instead of DS...
Disport? Dispot? Despot???

slightly off thread

Disco in Drag, or is that still the RRS, I think DS is going to stick somehow.

I'm in touch with Halewood at present, looking to see how soon we can go on a factory tour to see it being built, they will soon tell us what it's called if we get it wrong, your not even allowed to park incorrectly there

dilwyn wrote:

My only criticism of the FL2 is the relatively small boot, - this seems to be improved on the new DS.

I didn't check and it came as something of a surprise when I found I couldn't fit my shotgun in its slip into the boot. You'd have thought they'd have checked that sort of thing at JLR!

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I totaly agree wih Badger, The old 2.2 DTi lump in the Vectra was bullet proof but old tech, and residuals suffered once the 1.9 came out.

I had one of the very first 1.9 150's over 10 years ago and it was in a different league from the old 2.2.

Personally, It will be unlikely that I will buy a DS with the current engine and I will wait for the new engine.

That said, the latest version of the DW12 engine as fitted to the Jag XF is a lot smoother and quieter than the same engine in my 2013MY lux.

I have heard though, that the current power outputs of 150ps and 190ps will be dropped for the DS and it will be launched wi the 163ps and 200ps version as fitted to the XF.

So along with the 9-Speed auto, should make the current engine feel more modern. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

I also had the 150 1.9 in a Signum! Lovely engine and I actually really liked the car. Super smooth on the motorway and fairly quick. Vauxhall seem to of lost there way now and reliability of the new generation engines leaves a lot to be desired. I hope Land Rover produce a decent petrol variant. As much as I love big petrol engines, I'm not sure I could live with the tax/mpg of the I6. As a straight six owner though, I can totally understand the appeal!

I don't know where you get your info regarding the latest generation from Vauxhall. The new 2.0 CDTi's are leaps and bounds better than the old 1.9.

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Hi Mav.
We ran a fleet of Vauxhalls (20+) as company cars three years ago.

I'll quote Honest John "New 2.0 diesel based on old Alfa Romeo 1.9 diesel that was probably the most troublesome car diesel engine available in recent years".

Autoexpress said;
"Intended as a serious competitor to the Volkswagen Golf 1.6 TDI and Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi, the Vauxhall Astra 1.7 CDTi diesel was given a sleeker and sporty design, and a huge upgrade in cabin quality when the all-new sixth generation model was launched in 2010. However, the old Isuzu-based turbo diesel unit doesn’t quite make the cut against either of its major rivals. With CO2 emissions of 119g/km and claimed fuel economy of 62.8mpg, it is nowhere near as efficient as more modern engines. But it’s the 1.7 CDTi’s poor refinement that really holds it back. It clatters noisily at idle and sounds gruff and strained when extended. A reasonably muscular torque output of 280Nm helps give the Vauxhall decent performance, but it still falls short of newer and more refined rivals."

Our experience was as above. In truth I don't know if it is still the same engine now-I bow to your superior knowledge on that one.

No, you are right that the 1.9 and 2.0's are based on the old Fiat 2.0 petrol twin cam petrol engine of the 90's. The 1.9 was a great engine but there were cases of swirl flap, erg and dual mass flywheel issues. But then again, I don't know of any manufacturer that hasn't suffered with these faults on Diesel engines.

I also agree that the current range of Vauxhall Diesel engines are not the most refined, quick yes, but not as refined as the competition. Only the all new 136bhp 1.6 diesel has finally caught up with the competition with regards to emissions, mpg and refinement.

Next year, there will be a 180bhp twin turbo version of the new 1.6 diesel which by all accounts is a storming engine.

But Vauxhall's overall reliability is infinitely better than it was 10/15 years ago. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........