2.2TD4 HSE Auto

Hi all,

When the vehicle hasn't been run for a few hours I get the following problem for up to 15 minutes until it warms up:

If I set off from stationary and turn hard left or right I get a loud, deep, rumbling, grating noise from the rear of the car. Typically this is when approaching a 'T' junction, stopping and then setting off while turning

It stops as soon as the turn is finished and the vehicle is driving in a straight line. The more power/acceleration that is used during the standing start turn, the louder the noise.

It happens on both right and left turns.



Any advice would be really appreciated.

I'm afraid that sounds very much like a problem with the Haldex. The grating sounds like transmission wind-up due to the Haldex not releasing when it should.

Thanks for your help. Have you any idea why it only happens within 15 minutes of starting?

Also, I am probably clutching at straws here, but is there a chance it could just be the exhaust rattling against something- given that it seems to go away after everything warms up ?

These things can be temperature sensitive. I used to have a Subaru whose centre coupling would lock up, but only when it was hot.

Without hearing the noise it's difficult to say what's causing it. It could be something like the exhaust, but the turning aspect could be a symptom of a Haldex problem. If the noise is transmission wind-up it may be accompanied by a slight shuddering or vibration as the tyres slip - are you getting anything like that?

If it's Haldex related, it may be the beginning of the end of your Haldex, but I would change the Haldex oil and update the software to the latest firmware.
The latest firmware is a little more fault tolerant and slightly less eager to lock. This also for protecting the known problematic differential attack pinion bearing.

Thanks Pab and Alex.

I tried to record the noise with my phone but learned that doing an accelerating turn from a standing start while messing with my phone required advance planning and the the recordings are useless. Lol !

This possible fault is going to be checked by a LR dealer and I will post the result/progress here in due course.

We bought the car last year following the infamous '12-'13 winter. It has a low mileage (<50k) but if the previous owner was playing in the snow with it during that protracted winter and over-revving it then would that explain a Haldex failure?
I ran a milk round in the '78-'79 winter and all I had to do to get around in my old VW pick-up was under-power it to the extent of nearly stalling it, setting off in second etc. - but all the time I watched people endlessly sat around spinning holes under their wheels - including LR drivers !! Maybe knowledge of the excellent off-road capabilities of the FL2 need to be tempered with additional knowledge of both the way to use the Haldex in snow and mud and the way to miss-use it - I shall read the manual.

Anyway, we have got attached to this car because the '07 model's suspension doesn't jerk you around, the shockers actually work and smooth out the road surface irritations, the cabin and seats are total perfection and you arrive at your destination with no particular desire to get out. When we bought it we asked the dealer to remove the 18" wheels and fit 17" with 235/65's which massively reduces long distance fatigue. I know that changing 18" wheels for 17" is going against what most people do, but it works for us and we intend to stick with this car. If it needs a new Haldex then it will get one.

Surprised by the wheel comment, on my first Freelander I had 18" for summer, 17" for winter, on, you could hardly tell the difference with the bumps, but a bit of roll on the bends with the 17". The second one I had 19" for Summer, 17" again for winter, you could notice the body roll on the bends with 17", the 19" were much more planted on bends, only marginally harder than the 17" on uneven road surfaces.

2spring wrote:

... if the previous owner was playing in the snow with it during that protracted winter and over-revving it then would that explain a Haldex failure?

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... all the time I watched people endlessly sat around spinning holes under their wheels - including LR drivers !!

The same, 18 for summer and 17 for winter... BIG difference in comfort!
Much smoother on 17, but in the same time, much stable on 18.

Returning to problem at hand... Many people on Russian forum have had the same problem as you.
The problem was much reduced up to non existent when they've changed the oil.
But a thorough change of oil, meaning Haldex out and cleaned inside like new. Then installed back and filled with fresh oil.
Like this (it's for Haldex 4, you (MY2007) have Haldex 3, but it's the same idea):




It's a procedure that, in my opinion, should be performed every 60.000 kms (40.000 miles) for a hassle free motoring...