yes I realise that, but my original point was how do keep the remap AND the update? presumably if we keep the remap on, get the update - it'll surely erase the data on the ECU that the Bluefin changed to make it have more torque? so when you update it via land rover you're back to the standard 160hp setting? then presumably if you reinstall the remap you wipe out the update that was installed at land rover?

Depends what you by software updating. The car is made up of many modules, so an update on say, the body control unit, won't affect the ECU and engine map part. I think it would only be an issue if they updated the engine map part for some reason. 2016 BMW X3 30d SE in red
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ghawk2005 wrote:

yes I realise that, but my original point was how do keep the remap AND the update? presumably if we keep the remap on, get the update - it'll surely erase the data on the ECU that the Bluefin changed to make it have more torque? so when you update it via land rover you're back to the standard 160hp setting? then presumably if you reinstall the remap you wipe out the update that was installed at land rover?

best bet is to remove a blufin back to normal, if your car is going into a dealers just in case

if they do a update and this effects the ability of the blufin reinstalling, the blufin handset will tell you, i believe then you need to contact blufin and they will resync the handheld unit to allow a new remap to work

if you don't remove it and the dealer overwrites it, then your up the creak with out a paddle

If dealer overwrites the Bluefin map then I would imagine you can contact Bluefin to enable you to run the process again, i.e store the new dealer map and replace it with the Bluefin map. 
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For what purposes might a dealer overwrite the mapping of a 2009 FL2 HSE, when it's booked in for a routine service? Whereabouts unknown stop going to follow stream until reach civilisation stop message ends

I had a motorbike that had several manufacturer fuel map updates during ownership. 
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ghawk2005 wrote:

what happens if you take it to the dealer for a software update? does it delete this improved remap? what happens then? presumably you cant just reinstall the Bluefin one because it won't have the latest land rover update on it ?

kimosabe wrote:

For what purposes might a dealer overwrite the mapping of a 2009 FL2 HSE, when it's booked in for a routine service?

ahhh I see now, many thanks! might have to purchase one! its very tempting!

I dug out this report of a test track session I did in 2009 with a Bluefin on a 160hp TD4 manual.


"Although the effect of electronic tuning tends to vary according to the health of the existing engine tune, Superchips' indicative dyno figures show a power increase from 157hp to 190hp, with torque rising from 400Nm to 484Nm.

To eliminate traffic and other variables, we measured performance and fuel economy at our regular proving ground in as close a timeframe as possible. Performance was checked by timing standing start acceleration and, more importantly in the real world, mid-range acceleration in third and fourth gears. Economy testing was split into two parts: first, 20 miles were covered at a constant 60mph on the slightly undulating main circuit with no stops; then came another 20 miles on a hill route, half on flat terrain and half with steep hills and tight bends Each lap included two five-second stops and restarts. The process was carried out on the standard settings, then repeated with the Bluefin settings loaded. For comparison, driving style remained as similar as possible on both sets of runs, with identical gearshift points, etc.

A stopwatch wasn't really necessary to show that acceleration improved, it was felt immediately, but rises of around 10% were noted on all the measurements. The fuel testing showed an improvement of 1.6mpg at steady speed and 1.8mpg on the stop/start cycle.

The verdict

While the objective testing showed worthwhile improvements, we believe the real-world rise is even better. The increased torque and flexibility allow more use to be made of higher gears much earlier. The throttle response and general driveability were significantly better.

Needless to say, there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you take advantage of the increased performance all the time, you aren't going to see the fuel savings. Assuming you drive for straightforward fuel saving, you're looking at a payback time in the region of 25,000 miles, probably within two years for most users, but with the bonus of a much more drivable vehicle that is harder to price."

I have just ordered one! couldn't resist that extra power that my old Ford Focus used to have (Nice car but nowhere near as nice as the Freelander, but have been missing the extra grunt it had)

Looking forward to seeing the difference.

colinsb wrote:

The verdict

While the objective testing showed worthwhile improvements, we believe the real-world rise is even better. The increased torque and flexibility allow more use to be made of higher gears much earlier. The throttle response and general driveability were significantly better.

Needless to say, there is no such thing as a free lunch. If you take advantage of the increased performance all the time, you aren't going to see the fuel savings. Assuming you drive for straightforward fuel saving, you're looking at a payback time in the region of 25,000 miles, probably within two years for most users, but with the bonus of a much more drivable vehicle that is harder to price."

....and the defence rests, m'lud....

Not really.. check the massive gains on a BMW !! and note that increase comes in above 2000RPM

http://blog.racelogic.co.uk/2010/07/09/wha...ve-my-car/


Still stand by my very personal opinion that it is not really worth the money in the real world.

I see also the payback ( If that matters ) is 25K miles providing you do not use the extra power ( which you will I guess at times)

Perhaps better to invest in a current SD4 ?

I can't invest in an SD4 because 1) - they are well out of my price range and 2) refuse to drive automatic cars!

Pretty clear that the bluefin remap makes a noticeable difference in everyday driving to the Freelander, in the same way similar remapping technologies made a difference to my previous two cars.

This is evidenced by a number of owners who have first hand experience of the Bluefin on a Freelander.

Is it worth it? Well, it would seem so if you're keeping the car for circa 30,000 miles as it would appear to pay for itself - ergo, any mileage beyond 30,000 and you would be in the black.

Even if that's not the case, and you effectively write off the £300 odd that it costs, it's the difference to the car it appears to make that is the key point.