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Bugblatter



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Auto box rough gear changes

MY12 GS TD4. The car has just over 10k on the clock. When gently setting off from rest or in slow moving traffic, the first change up is rough and causes the car to judder. There is also a mechanical noise like "kacha".

Doesn't happen when accelerating more quickly or for higher up gear changes.

I will book a slot with the main dealer as it is still under warranty but wondered if anyone had come across this fault before. 2013 RR Evoque Pure Tech
2012 TD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey - gone

Post #193432 2nd Aug 2013 10:28 pm
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Ralphk



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England 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Auto Zermatt Silver

There has been a number of threads about the Kacha noise and your symptoms are very similar to others. I have been meaning to get mine booked in to have the problem investigated but been too busy. I will get mine in this next week or so and perhaps we can compare notes Ralph
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Post #193505 3rd Aug 2013 10:18 pm
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Bugblatter



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Cheers. Will do. Thumbs Up 2013 RR Evoque Pure Tech
2012 TD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey - gone

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Ralphk



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England 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Auto Zermatt Silver

Took the car into Listers, Hereford today for a road test to try and identify the noise from rear. I was out with the technician for a good 30 minutes and the little tart behaved perfectly, and the technician. Anyway just as we returned the noise returned and was immediately thought to be the Haldex unit.
Thoughts are that it is probably the filter in the Haldex being partially blocked causing the pressure pump to overwork. If not then it will be the pump itself.
It is booked for the filter to be changed at a cost of £460 and if that doesn't work then the pump will be changed, additional £320.
We shall see if that cures it but hey ho the joys of owning a Freelander 2! Ralph
Zurmatt Silver, Diesel, Automatic, side steps, mud flaps, mats, boot liner, TomTom Start 60 installed, rubbing strips, removable Brink tow bar, after market tinted glass, front styling bar, Rear spoiler, Motorlicious tail pipe trim. Wood Company centre armrest

Post #193985 7th Aug 2013 12:02 pm
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Bugblatter



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Booked in for Friday 16th. Guy on the service desk said that he hadn't heard of this problem before on the Freelander.

Will update on Friday evening. 2013 RR Evoque Pure Tech
2012 TD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey - gone

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Ralphk



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England 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Auto Zermatt Silver

I have the car back now and the Haldex filter has been changed as well as old oil flushed out and new oil put in.
I have driven the car about 20 miles and all seems well but we shall see. If not then the pump is next. Have to say though that I had a Evoque SD4 high spec. Coupe. Very nice but I think I prefer the Freelander. Ralph
Zurmatt Silver, Diesel, Automatic, side steps, mud flaps, mats, boot liner, TomTom Start 60 installed, rubbing strips, removable Brink tow bar, after market tinted glass, front styling bar, Rear spoiler, Motorlicious tail pipe trim. Wood Company centre armrest

Post #194649 12th Aug 2013 3:56 pm
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Bugblatter



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A bit puzzled because when I booked the car in, I asked if they knew of this problem and was told "no".

When picking the car up, the service guy said that a large software download had been done and that it usually fixes this problem. That implies to me that the issue is "known".

Anyway, I didn't hang around to discuss and the gear change from first to second does seem to be a lot better. 2013 RR Evoque Pure Tech
2012 TD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey - gone

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2herring



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I have done 54000 miles in 2 years and the change on mine from first to second very often is rough with a graunching noise. Booked in for five days next week for a new gearbox. Fortunately coverrd by warranty.

Post #195424 17th Aug 2013 10:30 pm
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Bugblatter



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Problem has returned. Rolling Eyes

Looks like another trip to the dealers. 2013 RR Evoque Pure Tech
2012 TD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey - gone

Post #196222 23rd Aug 2013 5:58 pm
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steve t



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Hi I had just the same as all the above. Tryed main dealer and they couldn't give me an answer to the problem, Infract I would say more denied it than anything else.
I was determined to find out what and why the slipping feeling and also the noise,I finaly found a garage that really knew there stuff bout auto boxes and how they work.
After a few test drives with myself driving to show the problem then a test drive with them driving all was explained bout the slipping feeling but at that point they were still unsure bout the noise until a 3rd test drive with another technician.

I carnt rember it all in full but the slipping feeling at each side of 2nd gear was down to the fact theres no gearbox lock up at each side of 2nd but the higher gears have (something to do with the toque),must say what they said made very good sence.
It was explained to me the noise was the turbo dropping power down the waist gate at the rev`s we talked about (1800/2000).
Must say I wasn't 100% bout the noise because too me it sounded/sounds just like 2 slipping discs graiting away at each other till the guy took me out in it to try show me and that he did.

If you have this problem don't worry bout it its how they are ,If you want to try put your mind at rest as this guy did for me this is what the guy did.
We parked up on a good steep hill with no traffic hand brake hard on window down ( don't know if he had foot brake on as well )put it in drive and build the revs up as much as you can with out the thing moving (load it up) and then let go of the revs.
What you hear is the very same noise (turbo waist gate dropping the power)

Its how they are, what I found is once my mind was put at rest I don't hear it or feel it anymore. I just enjoy the drive and love it.

Top and bottom of it is as I understood it its to do with oil pressure in the gear box at around the 1800/2000 rpm no gear box lock up at each side of 2nd gear and the ecu telling the turbo to drop the power to make the gear change

08 FL2 auto

Hope you can make some sort of sence of all that and put your mind at rest a bit.

Post #196237 23rd Aug 2013 7:30 pm
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alex_pescaru



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steve t wrote:
It was explained to me the noise was the turbo dropping power down the waist gate at the rev`s we talked about (1800/2000).
Must say I wasn't 100% bout the noise because too me it sounded/sounds just like 2 slipping discs graiting away at each other till the guy took me out in it to try show me and that he did.

Finally... Someone that says the same...
I kept tell you that the grinding noise is a specific noise of the intake stream, specifically turbo and not to worry.
On the Russian forum someone has listened with a remote "stethoscope" and indeed the sound was from turbo.
http://www.freel2.com/forum/post187480.html#187480

As for the rough changes, when you go to the dealer, tell them to reset the box's learned data (both pre-adaptions and adaptions) and then to perform the initial relearn. If it does the same, verify the oil level. Rough changes could be given by a low oil level and generally are less pronounced after the box is warmed up.
The initial relearn is below:
1. Warm up ATF to minimum of 66°C (151°F) and maximum of 110°C (230°F).
2. Garage shift:
Brake applied, select N for 3 seconds.
Then N to D and allow engagement of C1 for 3 seconds.
Repeat 5 times. Then do the same for Reverse.
3. Gear shift:
Drive 25-35% throttle to obtain 6th gear and hold 80 Km/h (50 mph). Then coast to a stop within a minimum of 60 seconds.
Repeat this cycle 10 times.

Post #196244 23rd Aug 2013 9:08 pm
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Skaapenator



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This thread will make me sleep much better at night as i was about to start a topic regarding the 1-2 and 2-3 gear change and sound!!

Post #290160 12th Feb 2016 10:46 am
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Andy131



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Mines occasionally having "rough" changes
Pottering along at say 60mph, hit the loud pedal and she will hesitate, drop three gears, overrev, come back up a gear to 4000rpm, and then behave normally.

It can be a week without it happening, then 4 times on the way home from work.

Diagnostics says, main ECU has lost communication with cruise control, so reboots the bus, at this point I have just hit the loud pedal, gearbox sees, massive increase in torque but doesn't know what the engine rpm is as the bus is down. gearbox takes a guess based on torque level and drops three gears.

will also happen at much higher speeds - try dropping to 4th at 90.

Going to change steering clock spring, as this is the most likely cause of the lost communication. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

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ekwan



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Malaysia 2008 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Baltic Blue

Try cleaning and re-making connection at the top of the gearbox. It's the simplest thing to try and it doesn't cost you.

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