I haven't used them myself but JE Engineering are the most promising in my opinion, based in Coventry though. Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

Have a word with Pete Bell at Bell autos,York,

isnt he a trade member on here?

edit just had a look he is a site sponser, even more reason to use him.

ccsnet wrote:

Just one thought relevant to this forum... if you need to chip a 4x4 then your in the wrong car

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I think many people see a chip or remap as a "performance" mod relating to acceleration and hooning around, with a 4x4 the case is different and a map as opposed to a chip offers better drivability especially when towing, for example.

I have an SD4 and it is a corker of an engine, having driven the TD4 variant too, which is still very good, the difference is noticeable but only when needed, most of the time both engines are equally as good but can understand why remaps work, has anyone taken the engine further, don't Ford take it up to 220bhp, or is that a different engine?

I would say 220 would be achievable easily enough from a mapper who knows what he's doing.

The problem with big power is you make more smoke which...will reduce the life of the DPF. The DPF itself will probably be the limiting factor...it's no good going into regen after every 50 mile drive. Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

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The joys of not having a DFP seriously though, there are disadvantages of not having a DPF, under hard throttle, mine does give off some smoke, where as you won't with a DPF.

What some people, who do not fully understand the way mapping works, is that they are not taking the engine beyond the safety parameters.

Engines pass durability testing at a power figure way way higher than what they are released at. The LR 2.2 Diesel engine pasted durability back in 2006 at well over 200bhp. But for production, it was released at 160bhp.

This is because a car manufacturer has to ensure the engine performs perfectly in all conditions, on bad fuel and also taking in account owners miss services and don't look after it as well as they should.

A re-map is purely using some of this extra capability within the scope of the engine. Those who do re-map a car understand how things work and will drive the car accordingly. Hence why we very rarely here of failing components from a re-mapped engine.

Last year in France, I met an R&D guy from LR, who was on holiday and when we talked about mine being re-mapped to circa 190bhp, his comments were " you won't break it at that power level in normal every day use".

There just seems to be this myth about it will always screw up your engine.

In the old days when it was a case of "chipping" when chips were physicals removed, things did go wrong more often due to the monitoring technology at the time. Now chipping is obsolete and mapping is how it is done, a decent tuner can look at all parameters a lot easier so things are more reliable.

But as Dave has said, tick with a decent tuner, and you shouldn't have any issues. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

All this talk of the engine, I'm sure it can handle it but spare a thought for the transmission.

A good tuner will take this into account that the 'manual' box is designed for a maximum of 380Nm and the 'Auto' something like 450Nm, this can easily be overstepped when using cheap tuning boxes but a experienced 'mapper' will probably flatten/adjust the curve where it matters.

EY, that's another reason why you need a reputable mapper  Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

Couldn't agree more. I had a Vectra a few years ago that had disasterous results from using a tuning box, as all it did was overfuel the car.....it very nearly shagged the Auto gearbox!

I had it professionally mapped at 888 Racing (BTCC tuners when Vauxhall used to compete), and it took into account ALL parameters, gearbox/boost level on etc etc.....the result was over 40,000 miles trouble free and without a flicker from the Engine Managemnt Lamp on the dash.

If you're going to do it, do it properly. And avoid "boxes" at all costs...they are simply a glorified, expensive resistor. Foraging near Gaydon....
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EYorkshire wrote:

All this talk of the engine, I'm sure it can handle it but spare a thought for the transmission.

A good tuner will take this into account that the 'manual' box is designed for a maximum of 380Nm and the 'Auto' something like 450Nm, this can easily be overstepped when using cheap tuning boxes but a experienced 'mapper' will probably flatten/adjust the curve where it matters.

Big Dave wrote:

EY, that's another reason why you need a reputable mapper

Absolutely right!

Badger1970 wrote:

Couldn't agree more. I had a Vectra a few years ago that had disasterous results from using a tuning box, as all it did was overfuel the car.....it very nearly shagged the Auto gearbox!

I had it professionally mapped at 888 Racing (BTCC tuners when Vauxhall used to compete), and it took into account ALL parameters, gearbox/boost level on etc etc.....the result was over 40,000 miles trouble free and without a flicker from the Engine Managemnt Lamp on the dash.

If you're going to do it, do it properly. And avoid "boxes" at all costs...they are simply a glorified, expensive resistor.

Mav71 wrote:

I have also bumped into the current owner, it now has 204,000 miles on it, the old engine was replaced at 187000 miles due to a failed cam belt, but 187000 miles on a re-mapped engine is not bad going.
I bought the car new and it was mapped at 3000 miles!
I still believe that if you look after a car, re-mapping it will not effect reliability.

We have a 3.5 ton van at work, 2.5 Diesel, remapped at 2000 miles from 120bhp to 154bhp and now has 230000 on it, service intervals are 18000 it uses less than a litre of oil between services, nothing has ever been done to the Engine, Clutch or Gearbox and returns around 34 to the gallon, which is better than the new one that replaced it, 2.3 Diesel, 150bhp and you struggle to get 30 to the gallon out of it. So much for screwing it down for better emissions.

Mav makes reference to a discussion with a LR engineer saying mapping to 190 is ok ; when you look at the LR approach to achieve 190 they fit a bigger turbo with water cooled centre bearings its fitted to a stainless exhaust manifold AND they fit a different water cooled EGR valve with vacuum operation .
It's radically a different and more expensive approach - does anybody know why?[/quote] 2010GS Auto ex Celeb, Santorini Black, 2011 facelift , spoiler, spats, mudflaps, LED footwell lamps, Witter detach,
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Those changes are what was made to both the 150 and 190, from the previous 160 TD4.

Only difference in the 150 and 190 engine now is the software  Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

fredastaire wrote:

Mav makes reference to a discussion with a LR engineer saying mapping to 190 is ok ; when you look at the LR approach to achieve 190 they fit a bigger turbo with water cooled centre bearings its fitted to a stainless exhaust manifold AND they fit a different water cooled EGR valve with vacuum operation .
It's radically a different and more expensive approach - does anybody know why?

Thanks Mav, no intention to misquote , when you click to post reply on a phone you only have memory for what was read before.
The replacement engine I bought dated from march 2009 and had the uprated bits. I changed all the ancilliarirs for those off my march 2010 car and plugged the water jacket outfeed hole for the turbo.
The engine wiring harness is different too.
Interestingly my 2010 old engine had all the casting extras in the block and head - I wonder if Peugeot / Citroen had walked this path before in their own R@D before Ford inherited the DW12 for their own R&D.
Regards from Fred 2010GS Auto ex Celeb, Santorini Black, 2011 facelift , spoiler, spats, mudflaps, LED footwell lamps, Witter detach,
Other cars:-
1958 & 1959 Austin J40 Pedal Cars under restoration (I make many J40 parts)
If you have an Austin J40 or Pathfinder Pedal Car looking for a new home pls PM me.
2009 Meriva