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Boof



Member Since: 16 Apr 2010
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2010 Freelander 2 TD4 Sport Manual Santorini Black
Dies anyone use the stop start?

Does anyone actually use the stop start feature or do you turn it off straight away?

Will this cause excessive wear to starter etc?

Any thoughts

Thanks Thumbs Up

Post #170013 1st Feb 2013 1:17 pm
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SYFL2



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2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Its not a feature mine has but the idea of it never appealed to me,like you say i think there will be more wear and tear on certain parts and mines diesel i just like the idea of the oil circulating round the engine not draining then pumping round again.

Post #170015 1st Feb 2013 1:25 pm
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wurzel153



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2014 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Lux Auto Loire Blue

I always use it, saves me a fortune when travelling on the m25 most weeks. Some people on this forum claim its a rubbish system but they probably don't get the most out of it.

Post #170017 1st Feb 2013 1:28 pm
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Boof



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I turn mine off after I've started, a lad a work uses his and his starter failed don't know if linked or the weather. Its only 9months old.

Post #170018 1st Feb 2013 1:28 pm
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Boof



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How old is yours and what sort of.mileage has it.got?
Any probe?

Post #170019 1st Feb 2013 1:32 pm
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iain cooper



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Scotland 2009 Freelander 2 TD4_e HSE Manual Lago Grey

always turn mine off after starting, but I do try it sometimes just to make sure it's working ok.

never liked the idea of an engine being stop/started all the time, especially a diesel engine.

also if I want the engine to stop, I'll switch it off !!

Iain

Post #170021 1st Feb 2013 1:39 pm
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wurzel153



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Only 17000 miles, no issues related to stop start system. There is a thread on here somewhere that details all the modifications to enable the stop/start system to be reliable. From what I remember its quite a comprehensive system.

Post #170022 1st Feb 2013 1:49 pm
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rchrdleigh



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England 2011 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Baltic Blue

25000 miles and use stop/start all the time. Not had any issues with it failing to restart and no delays restarting.

It saves fuel when stopped for 3 seconds or more. It will only work if the vehicle has reached optimum working temperature and there is not an excessive drain on the battery through running radio, air con etc. Also designed to work between 0 and 40 degrees.

Eco Stop/Start now also being fitted to the 3.0 TDV6 engine in the new Range Rover with automatic gearbox.

Post #170024 1st Feb 2013 1:55 pm
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Tandemman



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England 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Rimini Red

Never turned mine off, only 5000 miles so far but no problems, one feature i have found is that if you inadvertently stall the car , then pressing the clutch pedal restarts it, could be useful off road

Post #170025 1st Feb 2013 2:07 pm
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Wing



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England 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Lux Auto Santorini Black

24000 miles, 30 months old and no problems so far! I tend to turn it off when I'm in heavy "stop start" traffic or when I'm only doing a short journey with lots of traffic lights, but at all other times it's switched on and works fine.
As already mentioned, it will only work "stop" in temp's above 3°C and when the car determines that whatever electrics you have running, won't be a drain on the battery with the engine stopped.
The book says it won't function with Air Con switched on, but there's many a time I've pulled up with air con on and 'stop' 'start' has knocked the engine off, although it normally starts up again a lot sooner than it would with air con off.

I still get the odd passenger asking me if I've stalled it when the engine stops. Thumbs Up

Post #170035 1st Feb 2013 3:29 pm
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SimonB



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Can anyone who uses the system give an honest estimate of how much fuel they think they have saved, per x000 miles for example.

My fag packet estimate is no more than a tankful over 100,000 miles. I'd be curious to know how much this features adds to the cost of a vehicle.

I struggle to see how the emissions reduction would provide sufficient carbon offset to cover the development work for the feature and the manufacturing of additional parts per vehicle.

It seems many are happy with their system, but strikes me as just being something else to fail.

Can it be disabled completely, or only after startup each time?

Thanks

Post #170050 1st Feb 2013 4:49 pm
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pab



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Lago Grey

AIUI the stop/start brings the car into a lower road tax bracket, so your tax disc costs less. I wouldn't be surprised of that saves you more than the actual fuel saving, and if that wasn't really what drove its introduction!

It's another one of these ridiculous save-the-planet ideas - it doesn't pay to look for logic in them!

Post #170055 1st Feb 2013 5:11 pm
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rchrdleigh



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England 2011 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Baltic Blue

While I can't answer the question directly. I can give you a few comparisons between a TD4 with stop start and a TD4 pre stop start.

Fuel consumption with stop/start is officially 45 mpg while without it is 40mpg, although figures achieved in real life driving will be lower. My stop/start averages 37 mpg while my old non stop/start averaged 33 mpg.

CO2 emissions for a stop/start TD4 are lower (165g/km) as opposed to about 185g/km. As a result VED is lower whether you use stop/start or not. Think it is £170 for stop/start and £210 for non stop/start.

As far as LR are concerned they have to reduce CO2 emissions across the range and fitting stop/start is one way of achieving that. Other ways are making vehicles lighter, offering 2 wheel drive, using smaller more efficient engines etc.

Don't believe it can be permanently disabled.

Later versions (MY11 onwards) of stop start will work from 0 to 40 degrees, older versions work from 3 to 35 degrees.
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SimonB



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Thanks for the replies.

Hadn't considered the tax saving, that does make a difference, though I think I'd be saving that up for the potential repair bill Laughing

Post #170060 1st Feb 2013 5:27 pm
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wurzel153



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Having stop start will help you sell it though if you ever wanted to part with your landy. I would,nt worry about the reliability of the stop start, the clutch will probably fail way before anything else.

Post #170061 1st Feb 2013 5:36 pm
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