going in next week for bonnet rust to be done under warranty  rainy-city
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mojo wrote:

Tigger wrote:

mojo wrote:

Checked today and got that rust on mine too. Now that really is crap quality. If this is the best engineering us Brits can come up with then I'll be buying a 7 year warranted Korean car next time.

This is getting out of hand now.

This corrosion is pretty trivial and you are no more likely to be able to successfully claim for this under a Korean warranty than you are a Land Rover one. As a matter of interest, Kia restrict claims for paintwork problems to 100,000 miles, Land Rover have no mileage limit.

My point really is that a less than 3 year old modern car should have NO RUST ON IT, ANYWHERE, AT ALL!!!!! My 7 year old Audi looks like the day it rolled out of the showroom. This rust must be because the grade of steel isn't good enough or this area of the car is not painted properly, or its a badly designed water trap, or all three. Stop defending poor quality.

If this is your definition of poor build quality, then good luck with a Kia!

2012 Kia Sorrento

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So your point is that premium brand Land Rover are no better than budget brand Kia? What do we pay all the extra money for? I thought it was to get a top quality product. At least Kia have the nuts to offer a 7 year warranty and I bet they don't have clutch failures after a paltry 20K miles either.

This has nothing to do with quality and confidence in the product and everything to do with marketing,

Kia build their cars cheaply enough that, by charging Western premium prices, they have a enough margin left to fund the substantial costs of providing a 7 year warranty.

PS: I'm still on my first clutch at 49,500 miles with no signs of wear. What have you been doing to yours?!

They might offer 7 years warranty but it took Kia 6 months to provide a new dashboard when I had my old one off road waiting for it, new Sportage looks nice enough if your into that sort of thing

Your obviously not happy with your Fl2, why not trade it in for the Sportage or another 'better' car  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

There are lots of examples on tinternet where Kia UK have tried to get out of warranty claims.
This 7 year ain't all it's cracked up to be. If the dealer refuses, you've a fight on your hands. Think you'd find dealing with Kia Korea a bit difficult to say the least.

If I have a problem with my L/R dealer over anything, I can simply speak to L/R UK and in English.

And i'd much rather support the UK automotive workforce than a bunch of Koreans.
I'm British and proud of it. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

What have I been doing to mine? Driving it, on the road. Lots of people on here with failed clutches at low mileage. I used to have a 'rubbish', but in hindsight, very good, Citroen ZX which we scrapped against the none too reliable FL2. It had 149,000 miles on the clock and was still on its first clutch. Oh, and the gear stick never squeaked, and no trim ever fell off it, and it didn't cost £350 quid for brake pads and it was only just showing minor signs of rust under the bonnet after 15 years, not 3. Wish we'd kept it and saved a packet. Could've spent it on lots of holidays instead, as opposed to spending it on regular visits to the LR dealer to get my car fixed. Anyway, glad yours is okay. I did buy mine to support the British motor industry but unfortunately, they let me down and as for getting out of warranty claims, I reckon LR are past masters at this based on some of the problems discussed on this forum. I bought my LR having really liked them since I was a kid, but not having had the money until now. Guess the reality doesn't always live up to the dream. I now have a car which will cost too much to change and that has been less than reliable. Not looking forward to ownership over the next few years, it's gonna be expensive.

mojo wrote:

So your point is that premium brand Land Rover are no better than budget brand Kia? What do we pay all the extra money for? I thought it was to get a top quality product. At least Kia have the nuts to offer a 7 year warranty and I bet they don't have clutch failures after a paltry 20K miles either.

Very interesting....

It does show that a 7 year warranty does wonders for the perceived quality of the vehicle, though reality might not be entirely in step.

Interestingly I had a succession of Citroens: 3 XM's (great reliability, with the last one reaching 145,000 miles and only 1 blown heater matrix to spoil the otherwise superb record) and one new C5, which was the most unreliable heap I've ever owned!

Before it's first service, it required 2 pairs of new camshafts and one complete new engine after it ate the 2nd pair of camshafts. It broke down 1/2 a mile after it's 20,000 miles service and it took the garage 2 days to even look at it once it had been delivered back to them on a low loader.

Within 500 miles of the 20,000 mile service, it ate camshafts in the new engine....

It was in their workshops for a total of 5 months out of the 12 months that I owned it from new. It was in the garage for 2 1/2 months for the first pair of camshafts when it was only about 3 months old.

After it had to be recovered for the final time, Citroen refused to continue to pay for the courtesy cars anymore and sent me a bill (for £145) for the 3 days it was off the road after it broke down 1/2 of a mile from its last service.

I responded by rejecting the car (and I won the case) and I went and bought a V70 instead! I have never touched another Citroen since.

Mmmmm, maybe a bit unfair, but Kia's are cheaper aren't they? But then I haven't checked this so don't hold me to it. The thing that bugs me is that I paid a lot of money for a car which has been unreliable and I can only see big bills ahead if this unreliability continues post warranty. Perhaps if I look round a few scrap yards I might find my old Citroen.....

You might want to check if your old Citroen is still taxed here:

https://www.taxdisc.direct.gov.uk/EvlPorta...ution=e1s1

It's hard to compare prices directly with the Kia, as the Freelander seems to fit above the Sportage and beneath the 7 seat Sorento.

I can understand why you are angry.
However, premium brands often share the same parts of 'lesser' brands.
As an example, the Bosch EMS used in BMW is the same as used in many European cars. It's no more reliable than a mundane GM/Vauxhall. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

Everything Korean is cheaper, they employ slave labour, or the Chinese to manufacture parts.
At the end of the day every single car on the planet is man made, even Bentley had rust problems, rather embarrassingly with the bonnet ornament.
Granted, some are complete crap, fortunately, for our safety we don't get the really bad ones here.

If its too expensive for your wallet, get rid, it's not rocket science.

Taz,
And you should know

I'm buying nowt from you now  Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.