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768will



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SOME THOUGHTS ON DPFs

Pxxxing with rain, can't do anything outside so thought I'd make myself more depressed and go through the Forum to see what could go wrong with my FL2.
Reading all about DPFs and that all new diesel LRs were fitted but not good if you only did short journeys. So a thought, you're a farmer with a new Defender to potter around your fields (short trips unless you're Chicken George with a vast estate!). Now, you're in the middle of cutting silage or combining or baling and the filter is full. Assume you have to stop everything and take the vehicle to the nearest decent road for a prolonged fast run and/or visit the local LR dealer. What a load of bullocks. Bow down 11 GS Bali Blue
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iain cooper



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Re: SOME THOUGHTS ON DPFs

768will wrote:
Pxxxing with rain, can't do anything outside so thought I'd make myself more depressed and go through the Forum to see what could go wrong with my FL2.
Reading all about DPFs and that all new diesel LRs were fitted but not good if you only did short journeys. So a thought, you're a farmer with a new Defender to potter around your fields (short trips unless you're Chicken George with a vast estate!). Now, you're in the middle of cutting silage or combining or baling and the filter is full. Assume you have to stop everything and take the vehicle to the nearest decent road for a prolonged fast run and/or visit the local LR dealer. What a load of bullocks. Bow down


couldn't agree more, doesn't make sense at all !!

Iain

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Natwest



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Why not remove it in a manner that it is easy to re-fit come MOT time??? Whistle

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oldgeezer



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DPF's actually regenerate by a burn off process if the exhaust temp reaches a certain temp. This means that as long as the car is driven from time to time in a reasonable manner it will never fill.
The temps required are normally around 6-700 degrees which is 15-20 mins solid at around 2300 rpm without lifting of or coasting or at least very little lift off.
Its actually a simple process that just requires thought. The trouble is that dealers don't often explain how to prevent DPF's filling up in the first place.
Stop starts and sudden acceleration , booting flat out at roundabouts tends to create more soot to fill the DPF.
Regeneration is where more fuel is used to create higher temp in the filter to burn off the soot or a chemical, in the case of add blue, ( Pig P Censoreds ) is ammonia and reacts with nitrogen dioxides and in the burn process nutrulizes the gases by NOX2 by 75%
Most DPF issues are caused by carp sensors that are measuring the balance of pressure between the input and out put of the DPF known as an exhaust Differential pressure sensor.


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768will



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Natwest wrote:
Why not remove it in a manner that it is easy to re-fit come MOT time??? Whistle


A load of unnecessary work just to satisfy the EU bureaucrats (is it an easy remove/refit?). Don't think all those aspiring car owners in China or India will bother with DPFs or any other 'green' extras. Having been to both countries the air quality is crap so don't think things will change. Our MPs will rubber stamp the EU laws and we'll be the ones to bear the cost.
Maybe the Japanese/Koreans will realise there's a market for a petrol 4x4, remember the old Subaru pick-up, would go most places so a modern version may be a viable alternative.
Better get off my soap box and have a few pints of agriculture wine to lower my blood pressure. 11 GS Bali Blue
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Lee Howe



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I take it my car isn't fitted with a DPF as 95% of my journeys are short stop/starts and 100% of them involve booting it at roundabouts, hence the 26mpg Laughing

Seems a bit of a s Censored t thing to have fitted like, mind you it's probabily on purpose so you have to keep taking it back to the main dealer to get fixed.

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Thanks for that info oldgeezer. Apparently there was a supplement leaflet floating about from some dealers giving more info on the DPF cleaning but not around my way.

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