We can be here all day metaphorically pick axing my head in but can anyone say what the difference in boxes is between say the FL2 and the Disco 4 because I am sure someone on here said the Disco has a much better box LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
LOT (Lord of Time) - University of Gallifrey

The D4 has an 8 speed ZF box, compleatly different from the FL 2 box. Gone, 2007 TD4 SE Auto Baltic blue, clear side repeaters, full sized alloy spare.

English by birth..... Yorkshire by the grace of God.

Even the early Disco 4's and 3's which had the six speed, it was not the same box that is in the Freelander 2

I assume then that for whatever reason, the Disco's box cannot be fitted to the FL2. Also, does anyone think that LR might go down the dual clutch auto route at some point? LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
LOT (Lord of Time) - University of Gallifrey

FL2 auto box made by Aisin-Warner (51% owned by Toyota ). Same box fitted to a wide variety of cars including Volvos, Peugeot/Citroens, Ford,

D4 box is the latest ZF unit, also widely used by various BMWs.

BTW Aisin are the biggest manufacturer of auto boxes worldwide. Now: 2012 FL2 SD4 XS Orkney Grey
Previously: 2007 D3 TDV6 XS Tonga Green
Before that: 2003 FL1 TD4 "Kalahari" Black

The Doctor wrote:

I assume then that for whatever reason, the Disco's box cannot be fitted to the FL2.

Freelander has a transverse engine layout (running right to left) which makes for a more compact car (pioneered by Alex Issigonis in the Mini. The D3/4 and RR have longitudinal engine layouts (front to back). The layout of the engine influences the choice of gearbox, as someone eluded to the Aisin unit is designed for transverse engines and is very compact.

As for a flappy paddle box in a 4x4 - are you mad man? a duel clutch box would never work off road - they are often worse than a left foot when it comes to clutch control, so no i dont suspect a torque converter will be disappearing from Landrover any time soon Freelander 2 TD4 Auto, SE, Narvik Black, Alpaca full leather, Rear Headrest Entertainment System, 6 CD, 18 HSE Wheels, Privicy tints

Last edited by Captain Worm on 16th Jun 2012 5:25 pm. Edited 1 time in total

UKDEN wrote:

The Doctor wrote:

I assume then that for whatever reason, the Disco's box cannot be fitted to the FL2.

Disco engine/gearbox fitted North/South, FL2 engine/gearbox East/West.

Totally different animal!

beat me to it  Freelander 2 TD4 Auto, SE, Narvik Black, Alpaca full leather, Rear Headrest Entertainment System, 6 CD, 18 HSE Wheels, Privicy tints

Agree with your observations with 1st and 2nd gear. Also in agreement with power difference. However, my observations are based on comparison of manual 08MY and 11MY.
I always find the auto gear box a bit of novelty- like a naughty treat! Just like a big go-kart
Captain Worm- evoque I drove had flappy paddles- again a bit of a novelty.

When I say flappy paddle I mean duel clutch..! most people are putting sudo paddles on to their cars which in my opinion is a good thing - but it is still a traditional torque converter gear box Freelander 2 TD4 Auto, SE, Narvik Black, Alpaca full leather, Rear Headrest Entertainment System, 6 CD, 18 HSE Wheels, Privicy tints

I thought there might have been a dual clutch auto in existence that can change without flappy paddles. Works like a normal auto but has dual clutch. Perhaps not then. LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
LOT (Lord of Time) - University of Gallifrey

Audi/VW/Skoda DSG is a twin clutch, not all models have paddles though.

Was going to say the paddles are irrelevant - its what happens inside the gear box that distinguishes the two.

Flappy paddles (aka twin clutch) have effectively two traditional clutch plates attached to an inner and outer gear shaft A computer engages / disengages the clutch on both shafts for the next gear, hence the lightning quick changes - however as it is a traditional friction clutch, it still has to balance the clutch to take up drive - for example a flappy paddle car will roll (unless it has hill control) hence generally useless in stop start and slow traffic

A traditional automatic on the other hand uses a torque converter uses fluid to transfer the drive from the engine to the wheels, the advantage being that a torque converter infinitely slips and so can inversely apply more torque than wheel speed , obviously this is a good thing off road - it also means that a traditional automatic wont roll and will creep forward when in drive. The disadvantage being that the torque converter is heavy and so saps power as does the constant slipping (although most modern autos have lockup clutches on higher gears)

So there you go - look at wikipedia if you want a better description

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converter Freelander 2 TD4 Auto, SE, Narvik Black, Alpaca full leather, Rear Headrest Entertainment System, 6 CD, 18 HSE Wheels, Privicy tints

taztastic wrote:

Audi/VW/Skoda DSG is a twin clutch, not all models have paddles though.

Oh... Those flappy paddles...