Thanks for your thoughts.
I have researched this problem and been in touch with forums whose vehicles use the same PSA powertrain, ie Pug 4007, Citroen Cross, Mit Outlander.
They too are fed up with DMF failures but as PSA have not come up with a solution, a recall is unlikley.

My prevoius car had DMF without any problems after 120k.

My dealer did admit that 'we've done a few DMF's' on FL2 but the same crap parts are still fitted. They said that the friction plate is never worn. My DMF failed after just 24k. If the clutch was worn fair enough, but it was like new. I can't see how the DMF is a 'consumable' item. They've been fitted to HGV's for years.
It's nowt to do with emotion, i was a design professional in the automotive industry for many years and this sort of 'brushing it under the carpet' is frustrating. It should not happen.
I'm afraid it's nothing to do with MTBF or anything else.
It's about the most cost effective brand damage limitation.

Your experience is based on opinon, fair enough. But mine is based on fact and a wealth of experience in the auto industry. I know full well how they operate.
I'm not here to argue, i'm not made like that. But i do like fairness and in this respect L/R and PSA have let us down. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

[quote="Pegleg"]

athelstan wrote:

Damaged My Fingers

Superb Pegleg - given my current predicament

High praise indeed from a literal wizard as yourself  Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

Missing Link wrote:

I know why the DMF was introduced, it just seems to be something the marketing men wanted rather than a real need and is rather dubious progress.

The DMF was introduced the help engineers overcome NVH levels.
Dont know if this is common knowledge, just thought I would put it out there to settle any arguments

Perfect example is the VAG PD130/150 engine (as fitted to Fabia vRS/Golf GT TDi etc)
They are common for DMF failure, usually associated to driving style with the torque these engines produced

Lots of aftermarket solid flywheels available now, but the rattling you get through the gearbox at idle is unacceptable, hence the need for a DMF to smooth them out

Pegleg wrote:

DMF is a big problem. Even the new Defender is suffering.
The fitting of a solid flywheel is not always an option as it can sheer the crank.

The new Defender doesn't suffer from DMF failure, as it has a solid flywheel

What it does suffer from is a weak clutch plate, which fractures, and the springs in the centre plate break out, and jam the clutch cover

Now, with regards to Freelander 2 clutches and DMF's, I have worked in a LR main dealer for 4 years, before joining Strathearn Engineering and have been there for 3 years. In that time, I have only ever encountered 1 slipping clutch, and it was a high mile car.
IMHO, Disco 3 has more clutch issues than FL 2. We were fitting them to Disco 3's (under warranty) with less than 1k miles on them...

Just putting a few conspiracy theories to rest  Strathearn Engineering
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That's what I like to see and read - an "insider" delivering transparency to the subject. Such engineering insights based on first hand experience are appreciated.

For what its worth, I would have no hesitation in putting my own money into a high miler manual FL 2. Other than servicing and brakes, they seem to like wheel bearings, and handbrake tends to stick on, but that's about the only issues we have ever seen with them...

I had my heart set on a D3, and the wife wants a Freelander 2. I was trying to justify why a disco is better, but I really can't...
There is a list as long as your arm with what goes wrong with the disco... Strathearn Engineering
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1 happy owner.

given that I owned my 56 plate se manual for 2.5 yrs (30k), had NO issues, and part exchanged it last week with 54k on the clock, I purchase another manual FL2.

No worries.
great cars.

whoever gets my old car from sturges will have a gem 

[quote="Strathearn Engineering"]The new Defender doesn't suffer from DMF failure, as it has a solid flywheel

All TD5's were fitted with DMF.
There was even a recall. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

Pegleg wrote:

Strathearn Engineering wrote:

The new Defender doesn't suffer from DMF failure, as it has a solid flywheel

All TD5's were fitted with DMF.
There was even a recall.

athelstan wrote:

And, if something is presented as a fact and is not, then we all can be certain that someone (or more) within the Freel2 community will expose the falsehood faster than anyone can pronounce DMF

What did I say.....................

Puma's do have a nasty habit of biting back - especially black ones that roam between the Ochil Hills and the Breadalbane

Strathearn,
I'd have a look under the technical section of this forum and read the thread 'clutch slipping' if I was you and then say it's not a problem.
Mines doing it again after 15k since the last one was fitted.
Never worn a clutch out in 40 years of driving, my last car did 130k and the slave cylinder was leaking. Friction plate had very little wear so it's not my driving style.

Sorry, but the DMF in the PSA powertrain is crap. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

I did 35000 miles in my first Freelander 2 manual and I have done 17000 miles in the second and I have had no issues with the clutch on either of them.

Glad to hear it
It's what you'd expect Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

Pegleg wrote:

Strathearn,
I'd have a look under the technical section of this forum and read the thread 'clutch slipping' if I was you and then say it's not a problem.
Mines doing it again after 15k since the last one was fitted.
Never worn a clutch out in 40 years of driving, my last car did 130k and the slave cylinder was leaking. Friction plate had very little wear so it's not my driving style.

Sorry, but the DMF in the PSA powertrain is crap.

Maybe most of the vehicles in your workshop were auto's, I dunno. Wished I bought an auto to be honest.
I've never had to replace a clutch in almost 40 years of driving, i never hold it on the clutch, use the handbrake and I keep my left foot resting well away from the pedal.
There is a Pug 4007 in the village next to us, new clutch after 22k. Same PSA powertrain.

No conspiracy here, no one has stuck up for the motor industry more than me  Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.