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bbjoca



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From Liechtenstein to Switzerland there will probably be no stop (in fact you'll hardly notice when crossing the border), so watch out.
Here's a good page to start http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_privat/in...ml?lang=en
Also you could contact the RAC or something, they may have them for sale in the UK. It's never too late to learn something new...

Post #135387 9th Mar 2012 1:56 pm
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When you put in one of the other discs, there are a number of countries on the same disc, you will need to select the country required, I think when you put in the France disc it automatically defaults to Germany Thumbs Up
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Post #135388 9th Mar 2012 2:34 pm
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SD4Cat wrote:
As I am driving from liechtenstein into Switzerland will there be a stop on the motorway where I can purchase this vignette without having to head off motorway?


You cannot drive directly into Switzerland from Austria (A) or Liechtenstein on a MOTORWAY. When you approach CH from the Austrian Voralberg on their motorway A14/E60 (note: you'll need an Austrian visitors vignette on their autobahns as well SD4Cat) you have the choice of entering:

a) Directly off the Austrian motorway at firstly Hohenems/Diepoldsau, or further on at Dornbirn/Lustenau and finally Bregenz/St.Margrethen. At all these crossing points over the Rhein you will be able to buy the Swiss vignette at the Swiss Customs before you take the slip road onto the Swiss motorway system.

b) Indirectly via Liechtenstein (FL) from Feldkirch in Austria (A) again off the A14/E60. When entering FL from A you will be stopped by the border customs - these FL posts are manned by the Swiss not FL officials! Don't ask - it is a long story! There you can buy the Swiss vignette and proceed to any one of the five CH/FL crossings over the Rhein.

There's not much at all to see in FL of note at all - the Duke's Castle in Vaduz is best seen from across the Rhein in CH for photography purposes.

Trust this clears matters up.

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ad210358 wrote:
I think when you put in the France disc it automatically defaults to Germany Thumbs Up
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Is that anything to do with LR's latest yearly update and the 1940-45 war Whistle

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EYorkshire wrote:
Is that anything to do with LR's latest yearly update and the 1940-45 war Whistle


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Ah ah but Germany invaded France in 1940 Thumbs Up

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Yeah, but as Germany never invaded CH or FL Milestone then SD4Cat won't have any problems - or will she Rolling Eyes

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Thanks all. I've been off line since Friday and found all your posts now. I can't believe i need a vignette for Austria too - this is madness - all we charge them is £1.50 to get over or under the Thames at Dartford! Even then they can avoid that.

When I told the other half about the Swiss one he said bu**er that we'll go back into Germany instead and across their border into France for Mulhouse.

I am a little worried by the accuracy of my European Road atlas too as that clearly shows what appears to be a motorway running from South of Liechtenstein to Zurich and the borders are not very clearly marked.

We are stopping in Liechtenstein merely to get a photo or two, buy a stamp have a coffee and go. Adds another country under our belt.

Time to revisit the map again Big Cry What do I know....I'm only an Essex girl

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[quote="SD4Cat"]Thanks all. I've been off line since Friday and found all your posts now. I can't believe i need a vignette for Austria too - this is madness - all we charge them is £1.50 to get over or under the Thames at Dartford! Even then they can avoid that.

...OOPS the above could read badly. No offence intended upon our Austrian and Swiss friends, - just annoying that in the UK everyone can come over from Europe and enjoy for free the roads that we're paying for - yet we pay again over there.

Athelstan I'm expectig some lovely roads for the money we're going to have to pay Rolling with laughter What do I know....I'm only an Essex girl

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bbjoca



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That part of Europe is very tricky - a wrong left or right turn and you're in another country....
That motorway you're talking about is virtually on the border to Austria and Liechtenstein. FL is, customwise, integrated in Switzerland.

The Swiss vignette is (if I remember correctly) only for running on the motorways. When you pass the borders, the customs usually stop you if you don't have the vignette (as written above). I don't know the rules about the Austrian vignette, but I know you won't get very far without them - tourists are a very lucrative trade... Wink It's never too late to learn something new...

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SD4Cat wrote:

I am a little worried by the accuracy of my European Road atlas too as that clearly shows what appears to be a motorway running from South of Liechtenstein to Zurich and the borders are not very clearly marked.


The motorway you are referring to is the Swiss No13 / E43 that runs north alongside the river Rhein (which forms the border between CH & FL) from Sargans to St. Margrethen (Rhein borders CH / A) and then west to St. Gallen CH. To repeat; there are no motorways in FL.

If you are travelling across Europe you'd be best to invest in the road map book printed by Kümmerly + Frey titled "Euro Atlas": ISBN 978-3-259-01509-4 use that ISBN number to order it from your local book shop. It is a very handy size for carrying in the car. Thumbs Up

SD4Cat wrote:
Athelstan I'm expectig some lovely roads for the money we're going to have to pay Rolling with laughter


As previously stated in another post - you only have to buy a Swiss vignette if you are going to use a Swiss motorway - it is CHF40 (GBP29) and will expire on 31st Jan2013. IMPORTANT: in CH motorways are signposted in GREEN and ordinary roads (no vignette) in BLUE - and - for 95% of the time the only views you get in the low lands are other vehicles. So use them only if you are pressed for time.

If you wish to travel from Austria to Mulhouse FR the scenic route I'd recommend (slow but very interesting - even romantic Wink) would be as follows:
1) Pop into FL if you must - then leave again back to Feldkirch A without going into CH. In Feldkirch go back onto the motorway direction Bregenz and Germany. You'll bypass Bregenz via the 6.7kms Pfänder Tunnel and into Germany.
2) Jump off the German motorway (no toll or vignette required) at junction 2 for Lindau on the "Bodensee" (Lake Constance to you Brits) and follow the lakeside road B31 direction "Wasserburg" and on to Friedrichshafen where if your man digs into his wallet you can take a Zeppelin ride for a couple of hours over the lake with fantastic views of western Europe's largest lake and the Alps Shocked
3) Onwards along the lake side B31 to Meersburg, then take the car ferry across the lake to Konstanz.
4) At Konstanz (nowt worth seeing) take a small diversion (4kms) to the small island of "Insel Miainau. Stunning gardens with plants rarely seen in Europe. Cool
5) Back on track in Konstanz cross into Switzerland - the town of Kreuzlingen and take a right (do NOT join the motorway) on the Swiss road number 13 to "Ermattingen". This road 13 follows the river Rhein and is a very beautiful route to take. Between "Steckborn and and Stein-am-Rhein there are lots of photographic opportunities - castles - river valley - boats - wildlife etc. After S-am-R stay on the 13 all the way to Schaffhausen and proceed to the city centre - do NOT go on any motorway.
6) Idea Two small stunning diversions in Schaffhausen: Follow the sign posts for a) the IWC watch factory and take a tour, b) the Rheinfalls just outside of the city on road 4 at the very small town of "Neuhausen am Rheinfalls. Grand Bow down Okay done those - move on.
7) Leave N-am-RF on the 14 direction Swiss/German border at "Schleitheim/Stühlingen border crossing.
Cool You are now in that famous "Black Forest" delightful arboreal lined roads. At the border turn right onto the German 314 for just 2 kms to turn left onto the 315 to "Weizen > Bonndorf > Lenzkirch > Titsee" that's where you can have a black forest gateaux on the shores of the prettiest black forest lake.
9) Titisee B31 direct to Freiburg and its medieval city centre.
10) Freiburg german motorway 5 - J62 and run down south (direction CH and Basle) to J66 to cross the Rhein into France and Mulhouse. If your man doesn't take you on that route he doesn't love you enough. In which case send me a PM Whistle

SD4Cat wrote:
We are stopping in Liechtenstein merely to get a photo or two, buy a stamp have a coffee and go. Adds another country under our belt. Time to revisit the map again Big Cry


If you insist on wasting time in FL then drive up to their very small ski resort of Malbun. You will see the roads sign from the capital Vaduz. Cannot miss it - only one road that hairpins up from the valley to a height of 5,244ft a.s.l. And take care at the traffic light controlled tunnel 2/3rds the way there - some of the locals enjoy coming through on red, especially after they've had a drink at night Exclamation

Check here for driving information and tariffs for Austria. You can buy their 10 day vignette €8 or their 2 month vignette €23.40:

http://www.asfinag.at/toll-stickers-and-rates (Austrian Motorway Vignette Charges)

http://www.asfinag.at/toll-stickers-and-rates (General Information & Rules - Driving in Austria etc.)

Right now your on your own, or ask a Swede, Turnip, Carrot or a Chicken Farmer - they're all on FreeL2. Happy Holiday Razz

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I bought a Swiss vignette on two occasions in advance from the Swiss embassy in London over the phone. Neither time did it appear on my credit card bill.....result! I filled up with diesel, baguettes, cheese etc. in France drove through CH stopping at the top of the St Gottard pass for picnic lunch then cruised down into Italy without spending any dosh in CH! John
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Well done JST Laughing

Beating the Swiss at their own banking game - marvellous Thumbs Up

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Bless you Athelstan - you've clearly taken a lot of time to compose that message so the least we can do is follow your route (time allowing). I do want to go into Liechtenstein - just to say I have been there - but won't be long - maybe perfect place for a 'comfort break' Rolling with laughter

Time to print out your message now. Thanks all for your input and I may try that vignette trick JST did with Austria and see if they're on the ball.... Thumbs Up What do I know....I'm only an Essex girl

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