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Estonia 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Manual Tambora Flame

It was -28c here to this weekend. The car started and drove without a problem. Fuel sold here is good for -32c.....-35c

-25c washer fluid had frozen tho. But it's good now, only -10c outside.

Post #131690 13th Feb 2012 8:31 am
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razmabaz



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United Kingdom 2008 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Auto Santorini Black

Looks like I shall have to make representations to the garage where I bought the fuel then. I didn't have problems starting it was just further than 200 yards!

Cheers people. Freelander 1 TD4 HSE - gone, 2 weeks after the Cat.Converter!
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Post #131700 13th Feb 2012 9:16 am
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Temperature gauge the other morning was showing -11c.

Car started after the plugs had warmed and had no problems all day.

Having read this thread it would appear that non-winter diesel is being sold by some filling stations.

Does anyone know if it's possible for the recovery vehicle/man to take a sample of diesel and have it checked out.

I'm sure that LR would be interested to see why so many LR vehicles are suffering from the cold.

I'm fairly sure that when diesel freezes it's called "waxing"?

Post #131706 13th Feb 2012 9:37 am
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razmabaz



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wingit wrote:
Temperature gauge the other morning was showing -11c.

Car started after the plugs had warmed and had no problems all day.

Having read this thread it would appear that non-winter diesel is being sold by some filling stations.

Does anyone know if it's possible for the recovery vehicle/man to take a sample of diesel and have it checked out.

I'm sure that LR would be interested to see why so many LR vehicles are suffering from the cold.

I'm fairly sure that when diesel freezes it's called "waxing"?


It's called a "pain in the butt" Confused

This garage was on the A14 near Ipswich... the main road from Felixstowe. There are always plenty of trucks there so if it was dodgy fuel there will be plenty of livid truckers around! Freelander 1 TD4 HSE - gone, 2 weeks after the Cat.Converter!
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Post #131708 13th Feb 2012 9:43 am
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I bought from Morrisons in Stamford last time, Ill buy elsewhere just to make sure. I think the threads are right, the winter deisel is probably not to spec Evil or Very Mad as -10 or lower is still rare in most UK. 2012 MY TD4 SX Manual in very rare Buckingham Blue!

Post #131719 13th Feb 2012 10:38 am
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Interesting, it seems if the diesel is 'waxing' then some fuel stations are not playing by the book. I think a reputable brand like 'BP' might be beneficial when we experience these low temperatures, then again who can you trust these days. Confused

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razmabaz



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EYorkshire wrote:
Interesting, it seems if the diesel is 'waxing' then some fuel stations are not playing by the book. I think a reputable brand like 'BP' might be beneficial when we experience these low temperatures, then again who can you trust these days. Confused


I quite agree... that's why I'm a bit disappointed with Shell. Freelander 1 TD4 HSE - gone, 2 weeks after the Cat.Converter!
Freelander 2 TD4 SE Auto MY08 - Santorini black

Post #131728 13th Feb 2012 11:35 am
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EYorkshire wrote:
who can you trust these days. Confused


No one Crying or Very sad

You would have thought that the oil companies & fuel retailers with all their technical & financial resources could amend the diesel fuel filler line slightly by inserting a transparent section in the black delivery hose near the filler handle. This transparent section could contain a mesh filter (or some other device) that detects the presence of "anti-waxing" agent in the diesel fuel, and when it's present transform that transparency for example into a light "ice" blue section to indicate treated for very cold temperature driving. Just a thought Idea

Post #131729 13th Feb 2012 11:36 am
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United Kingdom 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Manual Tambora Flame

Anyone else remember the news footage of 30+ years ago of wagons stuck on the side of a road because of diesel waxing, and they lit fires under the diesel tanks to warm it up!
Try that with a modern plastic tank! Don`t drive faster than your angel can fly!

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nicam wrote:
Anyone else remember the news footage of 30+ years ago of wagons stuck on the side of a road because of diesel waxing, and they lit fires under the diesel tanks to warm it up!
Try that with a modern plastic tank!


Rolling with laughter that would be a very smelly, sticky and expensive experience Rolling with laughter

Post #131744 13th Feb 2012 12:38 pm
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Can anyone confim that 'premium' diesel (vpower for example) has a lower freezing/waxing point?

Post #131745 13th Feb 2012 12:40 pm
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I like your idea 'athlestan' Thumbs Up yeah something sensitive to the additive and changes colour.
Could have blue for winter and orange for summer, a cost they won't want to incur as there is no profit attached to it.

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United Kingdom 2008 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Auto Santorini Black

Ok... update on Shell diesel fuel.

I've just called Shell Technical and after that their complaints department.

Both Regular and V-Power fuel is graded Winter and Summer. (same temp spec for both variants)

Winter DPPF temperature is between -15C° and -20C°
Summer DPPF temp is between -5°C and -6°C (not much of a summer then)

They are going to get back to me in the next 48 hours Freelander 1 TD4 HSE - gone, 2 weeks after the Cat.Converter!
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Post #131767 13th Feb 2012 1:19 pm
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athelstan



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EYorkshire wrote:
a cost they won't want to incur as there is no profit attached to it.


You've hit the nail on its head EY - did you see BP's Annual Report & Accounts released the other day - again eye watering billions upon billions of profit. Ah yes, but don't we (the user) know how expensive exploration and extraction is, oh and please don't forget how expensive clean-up operations are. So that'll be another 10p on a gallon as from tomorrow - you won't mind do you dear chap - my salary and bonus needs to be "fuelled" as well..................... Chairman's statement - BP.

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England 2011 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Baltic Blue

Had the dreaded Reduced Engine Performance on French Autoroute on Saturday having filled up with BP diesel in England before leaving. Got car going again by removing and reinserting key fob and made it to next Service Area where I topped up with French diesel, still had reduced performance fault light but performance was back to normal. At next stop for lunch and another top up, left car for 30 minutes and on return fault had cleared.

Last time I buy diesel from a certain BP garage near Corby.

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