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Who is using 2 Stroke Oil
Yes - and my FL is quieter
36%
 36%  [54]
Yes - But I cannot tell if my FL is quieter
10%
 10%  [15]
Yes - No, It is not quieter
2%
 2%  [3]
No - I am not using 2 Stroke oil
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RW



Member Since: 07 Nov 2007
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United Kingdom 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver

thanks builder for the link!
Here is another one for you....
http://www.lm-spares.co.uk/acatalog/Two_Stroke_Motul_Oil.html
This seller gives free UK delivery, but prices are ex-VAT.

Has yamaha-fan approved it?

Post #12464 1st Jan 2008 7:32 pm
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builder



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RW wrote:
thanks builder for the link!
Here is another one for you....
http://www.lm-spares.co.uk/acatalog/Two_Stroke_Motul_Oil.html
This seller gives free UK delivery, but prices are ex-VAT.

Has yamaha-fan approved it?


Thats a good link RW depends how much you buy at a time as to which is the cheapest link. Paying the VAT or the postage. Thumbs Up

Post #12465 1st Jan 2008 7:39 pm
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The JASCO rating is only important for 2-stroke engines and if your diesel engine has a DPF, as the ash content of the 2-T oil should not exceed 0,2 Vol-%. But if you do not have a DPF things are much easier, and your choice of 2-T oils may be guided by the best price you have to pay for the product.
As the 2-T oil is produced in Europe only by a very limited number of manufacturers, most of the 2-T oils on the market are sold under brand names, but the product itself is the same.
So go ahead with your purchases and hunt for the best price you can get.

YF

Post #12482 2nd Jan 2008 6:57 am
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builder



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Thanks very much YF, I will now buy stocks with confidence ready for when I take delivery. Thumbs Up

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Builder.

I just ordered mine from LM spares as it works out cheaper at £17-61 v £19 at the other site. Postage there was a fiver.

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Nice one scotster. Thumbs Up

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nickkuts



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Hallo Yamaha Fan
I was impressed by the idea of adding 2T oil into diesel fuel.
I did add the precise portion in my Octavia II 2.0 TDI-PD with DPF and there was noticable niose reduction on cold start. Thumbs Up
There is a side effect though....There is additional noise and vibrations at engine shut down, which was not present before.
Does that formula work on TDI-PD engines or not?
I am waiting for my FL 2 in February and intended to apply the formula to it....though there is a hesitation after trying it to my recent engine....
Please give advice!

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yamaha-fan wrote:
You are most welcome, CK.
I would use any of the two 2-T oils, whichever I would get cheaper.
You can also use the Mobil Extra 2T.
Important is, that those 2T-oils should comply with JASCO "FC" or ISO L-E "GC" or "GD", which should be written on the bottle. All 2T-oils as per these norms burn with an ash content of less than 0,05%.

YF


Hi YF,

I use Shell Advance VSX2 2 stroke semi-synthetic. It complies with "JASO-FC" - but does not refer to "JASCO-FC".

Any problems with using this 2T oil ?

Post #12691 6th Jan 2008 4:46 pm
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RW



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jimmy wrote:

I use Shell Advance VSX2 2 stroke semi-synthetic. It complies with "JASO-FC" - but does not refer to "JASCO-FC".

Any problems with using this 2T oil ?


JASCO must have been a typo - JASO is what he means.
JASO = Japanese Automotive Standards Organization
More info on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JASO_FC
Hence, going by previous posts by YF, Shell Advance VSX 2-stroke semi-synthetic oil would be alright to use, though probably more expensive than other mineral oils on the market.

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defkalion



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Hi Nickkuts, have you added 2-t oil with low ash content as recommended by YF? Vehicles with DPF should only use that

Post #12705 6th Jan 2008 8:58 pm
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nickkuts



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defkalion wrote:
Hi Nickkuts, have you added 2-t oil with low ash content as recommended by YF? Vehicles with DPF should only use that


I did as advised by YF, but there is extra noise and vibrations...i presume this has to do with pumpe-duse system of the engine.

Post #12708 6th Jan 2008 9:14 pm
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Nickkuts,
if you use 2-T oil on older diesel engines it will remove the soot-deposits in the engine (valves, injectors, turbo blades) due to the cleaning effect of 2-T oil. This will lead to vibration and some more noise for a few days until the soot deposits are removed. This confirms the capabilities of 2-T oil, and once your soot deposits are flushed away your engine will run noticably better.
However, if your engine has mechanical defects which are "hidden" by the soot deposit, than you should consult your trusted workshop.
2-T oil can safely be used on "pumpe duese" diesel engines too, but as I said, such pdi-engines should not be too old or with too large milage.
On new and modern diesel engines, particularely our TD4, the 2-T oil will work fine with amazing results.

YF

Post #12715 7th Jan 2008 6:36 am
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yamaha-fan wrote:
Nickkuts,
if you use 2-T oil on older diesel engines it will remove the soot-deposits in the engine (valves, injectors, turbo blades) due to the cleaning effect of 2-T oil. This will lead to vibration and some more noise for a few days until the soot deposits are removed. This confirms the capabilities of 2-T oil, and once your soot deposits are flushed away your engine will run noticably better.
However, if your engine has mechanical defects which are "hidden" by the soot deposit, than you should consult your trusted workshop.
2-T oil can safely be used on "pumpe duese" diesel engines too, but as I said, such pdi-engines should not be too old or with too large milage.
On new and modern diesel engines, particularely our TD4, the 2-T oil will work fine with amazing results.

YF


Thanks YF
What do you mean by old? My 2.0 TDI-PD is manufactured in 2000 and has 70000km. on it.
Is that considered old?

Post #12717 7th Jan 2008 7:14 am
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In todays fast changing world 7 years are indeed "old" with regard to technical standards and developments.
I would in your case and for your diesel engine start with a high dosis of 2-T oil of 1 litre per tank fill to speed-up the cleaning of the soot deposit. What makes me wonder is that you say that your Audi diesel engine has already a (closed circuit?) DPF. As per my information factory DPF fitted diesel engines have not been on the market in the year 2000.
So I assume that you have fitted an aftermarket (open) DPF . As this open system does not clean itself by burning the soot by means of the motor management system, I would advise you NOT to use 2-T oil on your
engine. If I should be wrong and you really do have a closed circuit DPF in your car, than you may proceed as above.
In case you should NOT have any DPF, than things are much easier, and you can proceed as above.
YF

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yamaha-fan wrote:
In todays fast changing world 7 years are indeed "old" with regard to technical standards and developments.
I would in your case and for your diesel engine start with a high dosis of 2-T oil of 1 litre per tank fill to speed-up the cleaning of the soot deposit. What makes me wonder is that you say that your Audi diesel engine has already a (closed circuit?) DPF. As per my information factory DPF fitted diesel engines have not been on the market in the year 2000.
So I assume that you have fitted an aftermarket (open) DPF . As this open system does not clean itself by burning the soot by means of the motor management system, I would advise you NOT to use 2-T oil on your
engine. If I should be wrong and you really do have a closed circuit DPF in your car, than you may proceed as above.
In case you should NOT have any DPF, than things are much easier, and you can proceed as above.
YF


I do apologise YF .
Manufature year is 2005 not 2000! It was the new volkswagen diesel engine... It's my mistake!
And it came with factory fit DPF.
Thank you though!

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