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matt-j Member Since: 04 Jul 2010 Location: lancashire Posts: 79 ![]() ![]() |
i think the wintracs are more suited to the uk winter (hit and miss) there are better more aggressive winter tyres but i think they are more suited to places like the alps. when i was due to change my tyres 12months ago i was looking at winter tyres and a lot of the manufacturers websites just didnt give a clear indication of what there tyre did (strange thing but i knew nothing about winter tyres so i needed an idiots guide). So i headed to the tyre comparison websites (european) and the wintrac4's came out with the highest ratings and reviews. all the tyres had reviews by customers and most of the tyres had a bad review by users but the wintrac4's had nothing but good reviews...although none of these where off FL2 owners. then i looked at prices and the wintrac4's came up a lot cheaper per corner than equivilants...still aprehensive though as i'd never heard of vredsteins so i started threads on here and D3 to ask for reviews/info off of land rover owners and i got really good feed back regarding performance, road noise, tread wear etc etc. all came back positive. AJS (site sponcer) also advised me that he had a D3 customer who ran them all year round with no performance issues.... so i bit the bullet, got them and they have been great, i was going to get another set of alloys/tyres for summer but with more important things cropping up i never got round to it. I live in the pennines in lancashire and ive driven to paris in winter and cormwall in summer and these tyres have not given me a single issue. they where also £20 per corner cheaper at the time than replacing the factory fitted tyres with another set of wranglers. for me it has been win win win. great purchase. and on the other hand - standard tyres........ LOL |
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donny Member Since: 05 Mar 2010 Location: Usually knocking about the north Posts: 215 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
My story:- I work for me; if I don't get into work then I can't really invoice for my time. I drive a lot of miles as I work all over the north and we are now regularly seeing snow in winter, particularly on the hills I often need to cross. Although they are not essential, the benefits of winter tyres at temps <7degC is well documented. The original Contis were poor when down to 4mm and it was autumn when they needed replacing. Wintracs were a good value option with very good reviews on 4x4 forums. However, I never intended to run them all year (you can but I chose to save them for the cold weather) so I picked up a set of spare rims (dirt cheap) and fitted some of the new GGATs. I also go shooting - sometimes taking the FL2 and would not like my tyres to hinder my progress. Once you have bought the rims then two set tyres are costing your no more than one- after all you are doing the same mileage - just across two sets of tyres not the one set. All that said, I also have a D3 which doesn't do much and runs AT tyres all year. Am I a fan of Wintracs? - yes Am I a fan of GGATs? - yes Equally I also like Pirelli ATRs So many tyres - so little time - or is that women? |
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landy19840 Member Since: 13 Mar 2011 Location: Non Posts: 1817 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Check these out on the bay .........140607166856
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The Doctor Member Since: 09 Jul 2010 Location: Gallifrey Posts: 4615 ![]() ![]() |
Winter tyres would not suffer that I will agree but if that's what standard tyres can do in arctic proving grounds, I am not disappointed that I can't afford winter tyres. The UK snow and ice would not be as extreme as those proving grounds I suspect. In any case, considering those were normal M+S tyres, that is testament to the abilites and set up of the FL2. On the same tyres, I bet a Q5, X3 et al would make harder work of it or not make it at all. ![]() LOT (Lord of Time) - University of Gallifrey |
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The Doctor Member Since: 09 Jul 2010 Location: Gallifrey Posts: 4615 ![]() ![]() |
3 Questions please guys:
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donny Member Since: 05 Mar 2010 Location: Usually knocking about the north Posts: 215 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I would have a chat with your tyre supplier or Andy at AJS (Forum sponsor?) for answers to your questions
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ad210358 Member Since: 12 Oct 2008 Location: Here and There Posts: 7464 ![]() ![]() |
Doc, leave the part worn Wintracs alone, A. I would want to be absolutley 100% sure of their history. C. Wintrac recommend that when they are down to 4mm they are past their best for winter use. D. It is not recommended to fit only 2 as when you brake you will easily do 180's. There is some you tube footage on this. ![]() |
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chicken george Member Since: 06 Dec 2007 Location: N. Yorks Posts: 13289 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
best tyres should always go on the back,so the fronts dont write cheques that the back cant cash At work |
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ad210358 Member Since: 12 Oct 2008 Location: Here and There Posts: 7464 ![]() ![]() |
Normally with the winter tyres, the supplier will only sell in sets of four. |
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EdSnow Member Since: 28 Feb 2008 Location: Norfolk Posts: 131 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I beleive this was true of the Freelander 1, because of the viscous coupling (rather unintelegent centre differential, more of a limited slip diff) needs both axcels to be traveling at around the same speed, and if the front is going slower than the back it will cause the back to scrub, but with the haldex unit on the Freelander 2 acting as a very inteligent centre differential then I beleive you can put the best tyres on the front if you want to. The front axcel will being going slower so the ECU will think you have normal traction on the front and therefore wont engage the back. Freelander 2 XS 2.2 TD4 Met Black, with Winter pack, 18" alloys with General Grabber AT2 wellies, MANTEC Sump and Tank Guards |
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chicken george Member Since: 06 Dec 2007 Location: N. Yorks Posts: 13289 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I meant with any car, not even considering 4x4's and differences in rolling circumference etc, its safer to loose cornering grip at the front of the car than at the back, the first causes understeer warning you to slow down, the second can cause a spin too late do do much about it
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EdSnow Member Since: 28 Feb 2008 Location: Norfolk Posts: 131 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
ahh I hadnt been thinking of it that way. Now I see what you're getting at. Although personally, even when having a 2 wheel drive car I have always prefered having the best tyres on the driven wheels, which in my case has always been front. With the front wheels doing the steering and driving you can generally work on the principle that if they grip then you can point and go where you want to, leaving the back to do what it wants. Provided as you say it doesnt go so far that you're facing the wrong way, but that being the case it probably has little to with your tyres and more to do with how you are driving. Freelander 2 XS 2.2 TD4 Met Black, with Winter pack, 18" alloys with General Grabber AT2 wellies, MANTEC Sump and Tank Guards |
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Past master Member Since: 30 Jun 2010 Location: Isle of Ely Posts: 2710 ![]() ![]() |
This has been covered before. The general advice is that new tyres should always go on the BACK (eg see http://www.klebertyres.co.uk/KleberUK/fron...mp;lang=EN ). Personally, I would always try to fit a complete set of 4 to a Freelander - even to the extent of buying a couple of spare wheels to keep the best tyres until another two need replacing! When I last changed mine after a long continental trip I was thinking I might have a couple of good ones, but by the time I'd eliminated two with nails and one with a sidewall tear I only had one left, and that went on the spare! |
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sweetfreedom Member Since: 27 Aug 2011 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 64 ![]() |
Yep, I always thought newer tyres should go on the back, even with a front wheel drive
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