My daughter is thinking of changing her 2017 Hyundai Tucson .
Think last of the FL2 might be a wee bit old. She tows a Challenger 650 caravan.
I have read all in the Disco Sport, not good reading, but asking on here as i know some of you have changed to DS. 2.2 engines are old now. Have seen one at 44k.
What are the thoughts on a 2020/2022 Ingenium engine?
Also are they as good for towing as the FL2?.
grateful for all suggestions ,thank you Jim A
Fl2 HSE 2010 auto
Disco 2Td5 auto 2002 gone
Disci 1 300Tdi auto 1996 gone

Unfortunately Ive not read anything good about the relialbility of the Ingenium engine.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_que...e+problems Jules

The Ingenium engine is notoriously unreliable DPF, oil dilution, timing chains, Etc, there is loads of info about this on the web. if you can get one with a good 2.2 that would be a better option.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ingenium...nt=gws-wiz 2013 FL2 XS.
Defender 90 300 TDi.
Defender 90 300 TDi CSW.
1964 MGB Roadster.
1944 Willys MB "Jeep" with bullet holes. (gone)
17 hand Irish Drought Thoroughbred (mostly lame)
Nagging Old Boiler.

Mahatma Gandhi said if there is an Idiot in power those who elected him are well represented

janderson41 wrote:

My daughter is thinking of changing her 2017 Hyundai Tucson .
Think last of the FL2 might be a wee bit old. She tows a Challenger 650 caravan.
I have read all in the Disco Sport, not good reading, but asking on here as i know some of you have changed to DS. 2.2 engines are old now. Have seen one at 44k.
What are the thoughts on a 2020/2022 Ingenium engine?
Also are they as good for towing as the FL2?.
grateful for all suggestions ,thank you

If your daughter does short trips on urban roads with lots of stop start traffic then an Ingenium engined car isn’t for her unless it’s a petrol. Saying that, I’m now driving an MY2020 2.0 d180 Evoque and (furiously touching wood) so far haven’t had any problems with it. I do tend to do longer trips and have no need to join the rat race to employment or drive at peak times any more and do change the oil annually rather than biannually. I also keep a watch on the state of the dpf via an OBD and CarScanner and can extend a journey if the dpf goes into regeneration so as to allow the process to complete in one go, rather than having to start again which leads to the oil dilution problem.

Sadly, although a DS would be a natural successor to the FL2 and would have ideally been my next car, I will never buy any car with an ingenium engine in it, having read the horror stories.
If failures were isolated incidents then I'd think it's the type of thing which could befall anyone but when there are Facebook groups (multiple) devoted to the abysmal reliability of this engine and the shameful attitude to customer relations by Landrover then I'm so glad I've not 'upgraded'.
I've said before that my Freelander 2 will be my last LR product as a daily driver car, which is a real shame because I do love the brand but the direction and target audience LR are aiming at doesn't include me any longer so 'I'm out'. I may well buy myself a Series LR as a classic in years to come but my next car definitely will not be a LR product. Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

2.2 engines are old now. Have seen one at 44k.


44k is nothing on a well cared for 2.2 2013 FL2 XS.
Defender 90 300 TDi.
Defender 90 300 TDi CSW.
1964 MGB Roadster.
1944 Willys MB "Jeep" with bullet holes. (gone)
17 hand Irish Drought Thoroughbred (mostly lame)
Nagging Old Boiler.

Mahatma Gandhi said if there is an Idiot in power those who elected him are well represented

While I agree on the 2.2, they cost ££££ if you live in or near a Low Emission Zone and I live right next to one and the next city across has another!

Fortunately I do not live in a low emission zone, but am close to the London ULEZ if I need to go in there I go in in my MGB which is exempt but more polluting than the FL2 so its to Sad Dick Khan.  2013 FL2 XS.
Defender 90 300 TDi.
Defender 90 300 TDi CSW.
1964 MGB Roadster.
1944 Willys MB "Jeep" with bullet holes. (gone)
17 hand Irish Drought Thoroughbred (mostly lame)
Nagging Old Boiler.

Mahatma Gandhi said if there is an Idiot in power those who elected him are well represented

Does anyone have practical day to day experience of a PHEV DS? How far do they go on electric, what is the overall MPG, what is the performance like, how does the driving position/comfort compare with the FL2?

That is the only LR I feel I could consider. Lately modern LR products have become extremely expensive to insure, I don't know if it is my age (82) or the high cost (or power/complexity) of these cars. Similar PHEV SUVs of other makes seem more reasonable.

PS I have driven a few DS Diesels as loan cars and at a LR Experience day in the woods. Although it is a nice enough car I always feel a sense of relief as I climb back up into my own FL2 with its better view. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 79k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

I would imagine most people who have a car like that, it’s a company car or have enough money to not worry about fixing it and just put it in to the garage. That would mean probably not on a forum like this looking for answers to what is wrong with their old car. Need to look at a different pool of people for answers to what the electric car is like.

Landrover no longer want ordinary people for customers anymore. Just take a look at their adverts. They are aiming for the the top end of the luxury market with stupidity priced car's full of unnecessary gadgets.
And as for Jaguar, words fail me  Now at the point when I learn something new something old is lost out the other side !
Now retired so it doesn't matter anymore.
Freelander now gone.

Thing is, if I had spent the around £100k on a car I'd expect it to go wrong less, not for it to go wrong even more. Jules

Just a driver wrote:

I would imagine most people who have a car like that, it’s a company car or have enough money to not worry about fixing it and just put it in to the garage. That would mean probably not on a forum like this looking for answers to what is wrong with their old car. Need to look at a different pool of people for answers to what the electric car is like.

Jules is spot on  Now at the point when I learn something new something old is lost out the other side !
Now retired so it doesn't matter anymore.
Freelander now gone.