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Harry34



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Diesel pump

Hi all I have a problem with my freelander 2 2.2 I prime the filter and the pipe leading to the pump fills sa soon as I stop priming the pipe empty and it won't start I suspect fule pump anyone any idea

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Rommel



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Is this after changing the fuel filter?? 2013 FL2 XS.
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Harry34



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No I changed the high pressure pipe on the power steering it started after to remove the air in the system I turned the engine off put the wheel back on and dropped it off the jack then it wouldn't start AA came out 2 hours later he said you have a fueling problem and he went can't get a garage till after Christmas to me it seems like the high pressure pump I presume there's a none return valve in it that's failed don't want to buy a new pump if its not that

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jules



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I've read that 3 times and, without punctuation, it's still hard to know what's going on.

What has the power steering got to do with the fuel pump ?

When you dropped it off the jack, did you break something ? The jack may have hit something under the car; maybe you've crushed a fuel line. Jules

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Harry34



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Apologies punctuation isn't my strong point but basically the high pressure fuel pump is letting air in the system or seems to be when ì prime the system you can see fuel go into the pump but as soon as I stop priming the pipe fills with air

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How much fuel do you have in the tank

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Harry34



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Well over half a tank

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jules



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Harry34 wrote:
Apologies punctuation isn't my strong point but basically the high pressure fuel pump is letting air in the system or seems to be when ì prime the system you can see fuel go into the pump but as soon as I stop priming the pipe fills with air


JLR recommend priming by inserting a hand balloon pump between fuel filter and the fuel tank, so cleaned fuel is pushed up to the HP pump, which normally sucks fuel up from the tank, through the fuel filter..

Because the HP pump creates a negative pressure in the fuel line, any leak will result in air being sucked into the line, rather than fuel leaking out, causing the engine to not start or stop quickly.

By pressuring the system with a hand pump you may be able to see fuel leaking. The hand balloon pump gets quite hard when the air has been flushed through back to the fuel tank (as the compressible air is removed)- you can hear bubbling in the tank stopping when the air has been flushed through.

Ofcourse if your hand pump is entraining air you'll never resolve the problem.

How do you explain this fuel problem occurring after you worked on the steering system ? Jules

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Harry34



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I pumped fuel through the high pressure pump can't say the hand pump got any harder to pump and when I stopped pumping air returns to the fuel pipe

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Rommel



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I don't think you can pump fuel "through " the HP pump only to it? are you able to fully prime the fuel filter? with a hand pump? if so try starting the engine without removing the hand pump, if air is entering the pipe
to the HP pump then there is a hole in the fuel pipe between the tank and the filter sucking in air???

Also as Jules mentioned I cannot see how this is/was connected to a power steering issue?????????? 2013 FL2 XS.
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jules



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Harry34 wrote:
I pumped fuel through the high pressure pump can't say the hand pump got any harder to pump and when I stopped pumping air returns to the fuel pipe


Can you clarify where you have sited the hand pump.

From manual






The hand pump goes in at (7). Jules

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Harry34



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As the picture


I've pumped fuel round the system when I stopped I'm getting air in the pump tube seems to be coming from the filter would the filter letting air in cause my problems?

Post #437839 16th Dec 2023 10:22 pm
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Luke G



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I’ve had similar problems and got around it by attaching a brake bleed kit hooked up to an air compressor and sucking the fuel through the system at point 8 in the diagram (return fuel line attachment on the fuel filter). This ensured there was no air in the system.

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