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Germplus1



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United Kingdom 2008 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Auto Zermatt Silver
HARD steering after warm up especaill at idle

SO Its starting to get worse. Steering works fine when starting the in morning or after sitting for some time while at work or whatever. After driving for a while when slowed to an idle steering get very stiff like no Power steering at all and the pump starts to make a noise but not that bad still feels like there is something there.

The Pump, rack, auxiliary belt tensioner and belt has all been replaced about two weeks ago. And also all the power steering hose. Could this be air still trapped in the system? Bled the system several times.

Any thoughts would be helpful ( seems everything mr google has no one thing fixes this issue) Regards,
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Has the power steering reservoir been changed? could be blocked filter ? 2013 FL2 XS.
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Germplus1



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Hello

Yes it was changed about a week ago as well. Strange situation.

Thank you. Regards,
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Could be air still in the system? was it filled with the correct green CHF fluid ? 2013 FL2 XS.
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Germplus1



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Hello

My guess could be air. It was filled CHF202.

I ordered a vacuum bleeder adopter since the traditional one didn’t is not working.

Will see how it goes when it arrives. Regards,
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This system uses a variable displacement pump. It needs bleeding with the engine off, not running like full flow pumps.

With the engine of and cold, so after sitting all night.
Lift the front wheels, and slowly turn the steering lock to lock a dozen times. This should shift any air in the system, without it being trapped in the pump. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
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Germplus1



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Thank you. Will try and let you know how it goes. Regards,
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Germplus1



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Nodge68 wrote:
This system uses a variable displacement pump. It needs bleeding with the engine off, not running like full flow pumps.

With the engine of and cold, so after sitting all night.
Lift the front wheels, and slowly turn the steering lock to lock a dozen times. This should shift any air in the system, without it being trapped in the pump.


So I tried to bleed the air out manually and seems to be getting bit better. But had a look at the new fitted reservoir and its splashing out fluid through the filter from the return line which creates bubbles. it that a normal operation process for the reservoir ? Could it be a faulty reservoir ?

Still waiting for the power steering vacuum bleeder kit from America.

Please see the video link below.

https://youtube.com/shorts/4h3NhTMg60Y Regards,
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The fluid looks a bit low top it up a bit see what it does then but it could be a that somewhere one of the pipes is sucking in air ?
double check all the pipe connections especialy on the feed to the pump as it looks like the air is is being pushed into the resevoir on return as the vid shows. 2013 FL2 XS.
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I kept my PAS fluid topped up a little more than that but never saw much movement in the fluid. I know the filter wasn’t blocked because I’d fitted a new reservoir. I agree that air is being pushed into the reservoir so your going to have to look at the supply to the pump. If the leak was in the pump outlet you’d have PAS fluid on the floor.

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Have you got the old reservoir to put back on as a check. Could be air getting into the system but it looks to me like there is something wrong with the new reservoir

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I agree, as when I cut open my old reservoir the filter mesh was consistent all the way around other than the support frame. I wouldn’t expect to see bubbles in a consistent stream. I still think that the pump is sucking in air, which is compressible and pumping that to the rack and back to the reservoir.

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I Like Chips wrote:
Have you got the old reservoir to put back on as a check. Could be air getting into the system but it looks to me like there is something wrong with the new reservoir



Hello mate.

I just replaced the reservoir and its all good now. Thank you guy. Really appreciate all the information and help. Regards,
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Rommel wrote:
The fluid looks a bit low top it up a bit see what it does then but it could be a that somewhere one of the pipes is sucking in air ?
double check all the pipe connections especialy on the feed to the pump as it looks like the air is is being pushed into the resevoir on return as the vid shows.


Hello Rommel,

It was a defective pas reservoir causing the air into the system. Thank you for the the tip pal. Regards,
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Good glad you got it sorted, just goes to show new parts can be defective. Thumbs Up 2013 FL2 XS.
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