I've not met a single person who has bought an EV or a Hybrid for environmental reasons. Its purely financial. Myself included

I agree that EV/PHEV government policy is skewed towards business tax relief, and does not do anything to help offset the extra cost to (potential) private buyers like myself.

Earlier straight discounts and incentives (like free home chargers) have been discontinued. Now the best deals are for higher-tax-band business buyers.

For myself, size, driving position, range, and cost matter more than saving the planet;
although I can see the need to start using as much of the suns energy directly is important as we cant keep burning dinosaurs forever. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

Mikey wrote:

I've not met a single person who has bought an EV or a Hybrid for environmental reasons. Its purely financial. Myself included

IanMetro wrote:

I agree that EV/PHEV government policy is skewed towards business tax relief, and does not do anything to help offset the extra cost to (potential) private buyers like myself.

Earlier straight discounts and incentives (like free home chargers) have been discontinued. Now the best deals are for higher-tax-band business buyers.

For myself, size, driving position, range, and cost matter more than saving the planet;
although I can see the need to start using as much of the suns energy directly is important as we cant keep burning dinosaurs forever.

We took the Ioniq 5 for its first fast charge today. Handily there are 8 new Tesla Supercharges just 1½ miles from home, so a quick tickle of electrons isn't far away, they're sensibly priced too.

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Incentives to get people in to debt sounds just like those 100% mortgages that went pear shaped, that all went well didn’t it. Wait till we start getting mass lay offs and redundancy, it will happen as everything goes in circles

Getting into debt on a depreciating asset isn't a good financial move.
If something expensive is going to depreciate, it's better to lease it. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

Ah yes lease the posh debt that doesn’t have to be paid back. That’s the trouble with the country nobody has got money on the hip, it’s all make believe

Leasing is good if someone is trying out a new technology, as there's less financial loss should it not work out.

We're leasing ours, but the dealer was behind with their 1st ¼ targets, so the lease deal was very attractive. The fuel savings alone will cover over ½ of the monthly lease, so by the time maintenance, repairs and RFL are factored in, we're about even on a monthly basis. I can even fuel it from sunshine for free, which I can't do in the Freelander.
So we get to drive around in a nice new EV, instead of a 16 year old Freelander 2, and not sacrifice space or practicality, and not have any issues with breakdowns, MOT failures either. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

I have to give it to you, you have all the patter. Just like those pension salesmen or time shares. Every thing goes in circles, fashion, politics, economics. None of its new it’s just repackaged to sell to a new era. It’s all the same.

Just a driver wrote:

Ah yes lease the posh debt that doesn’t have to be paid back. That’s the trouble with the country nobody has got money on the hip, it’s all make believe

A debt is only a problem if you don’t have the liquidity to settle it if your circumstances change . It is just a tool to manage a set of financial circumstances . There isn’t a right or wrong answer , of course there will be people who put themselves in a position where they end up in trouble , but that doesn’t mean everyone is wrong , it means the ones who didn’t get it right , made the wrong choice for their circumstances.

. PCP or leasing doesn’t suit me at the moment as I pile miles onto vehicles , and the lowest cost of ownership is cash and keeping over a longer length of time works best for me under those circumstances. 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

As an aside, about modern cars and their overwhelming bleeping safety systems.

We had lunch last week with some friends that have just bought an Audi E-Tron.
Unfortunately it had already needed bodywork repair.

They had just got used to using it's cameras and sensors to reverse and maneuver, so they were feeling quite confident turning in a driveway so that they could exit onto the road forward.
Suddenly all the car's sensors started to blare, and the car went into full panic. It was then they realised that the electric gate was bearing down upon them.

In spite of the sensors adding greatly to the drama of it all, they failed to stop a £3000 bill.

And, having experienced driving an EV, they were not at all impressed with their Skoda Diesel Hire Car. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

Nodge, how does the overall ride compare to the Freelander 2?
now you've been using it. DAVE.

MartynB wrote:

keeping over a longer length of time works best for me under those circumstances.