Our Mini is around 500kg heavier than the equivalent diesel Mini

But its still 1000kg less than our D3, and they weren't worried about car parks collapsing 15 years ago

More anti-EV BS

The Mini EV is 1440kg. A Mini diesel is about 1210kg, so not as larger difference as you think Mike. And the extra weight is low down, so it hides it well. I like the Mini electric, it's a decent run around.
 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

My neighbour has some visitors with a Range Rover 3 litre which looks huge. I looked up its reg no and was surprised to see that it's 200kg lighter than my FL2 presumably due to aluminium body. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

A 2016 onwards Range Rover sport 3.0L is 2050kg, which is over 500kg lighter than a 2010 3.0L sport. The lightest proper RR (I'm discounting the Evoque) is the small engine Velar at 1950kg. All RRs have dropped in weight for the later models, but all are heaver than the Freelander 2, which is just over 1800kg. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

Interesting figures. I Looked up the FL2 "Revenue weight" on the vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk website and it gives 2505 kg for my FL2 and 2299 for the 3.0 RR which was 2019 reg. Not sure what Revenue Weight means of course. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

Nodge68 wrote:

The Mini EV is 1440kg. A Mini diesel is about 1210kg, so not as larger difference as you think Mike. And the extra weight is low down, so it hides it well. I like the Mini electric, it's a decent run around.

From Mini directly:

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Not that I actually care

It is a decent little runaround though. £8 to fully charge which gets us between 80-100 miles, depending on use and who's driving

Even despite the weight, its still a fun little car to throw around. Have more fun in that than the 500bhp Jag XF, unless I want to go fast(er than 69mph )

EDIT: Quotes a petrol Mini at 1645kg, which is a lot heavier than I expected

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An EV version of an ICE is now only 5 to 10% heavier, which shouldn't effect multistory car parks.  Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

Today I noticed that I change my trip computer to 'Miles to Empty' when my Fuel Gauge reads about 1/4.
The range is around 100+ miles, but I start planning my next refuel.

As my FL2 Metro is approaching its 10th year, I have been looking at EVs (and PHEVs).
I realised that 100 miles is about half range of most EVs, so would I be worried about range on any reasonable day out?

Then I notice a drip feed of Newspaper/Journal/Magazine articles pointing out the realities of owning an EV.

Todays article in the Times points out the fact that EV Motor Insurance has risen 20% in the last year as the insurers have notice that a damaged drive battery normally results in a scrapped car. It seems that over 50% of the new (expensive) cost of an EV is the battery.

Several other problems are then included in the article, that is, lack of range, electrical efficiency, and so on.

Unfortunately the article needs a subscription to read
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/electri...-th27s27ls

The more I explore, the more I am convinced that the technology is getting to complicated, and therefore expensive, for me to jump willingly towards an EV.

PS I also have come to realise that I find other owner forums are harder to follow than this one. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 79k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

I know what you mean, trying to get straight answer to questions on some forums is like pulling teeth.

Ive been on this one for so long for two reasons:
1) I still have a FL2 and do a lot of DIY stuff
2) Questions dont immediately go off on an yet another political tangent.


Three cheers for Freel2.com members  Jules

The guys on Salvage Rebuilds have bought their first HEV, interesting content.

Yes interesting - I think its a frequent discussion being held by many a small independent garage.

I was chatting to the owner at my local village garage that has been doing servicing and repairs on my cars for 30 years. He reckons there are enough ICE cars to keep him going until he retires in 5 years.
He has no intention of getting involved with hybrids or BEVs other than the basic mechanicals - eg brakes and suspension etc. Jules

go to 27:00 to miss the preamble

Ignoring the particulates and looking at CO2 production and price differentials in vehicle purchase costs then you can save more CO2 in the end by using the cash saved to buy a solar array.
He makes the point we'd save more CO2 by reducing domestic electric consumption through inbsulation etc than going down the BEV route. Jules

If you have an efficient petrol car, but can afford to buy an BEV. Then it's better to use the money saved not buying the BEV and invest in solar panels and a battery, with an EDDI instead. Any excess energy after the battery is full will go into the hot water cylinder (if there is one), so hot water is available, along with electricity after dark. This will save more CO2 than buying a BEV, and will save money in the process. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

So I got it right sticking with ICE and spending money on Solar PV and a battery! So far this month we’ve used a grand total of 3.3kWh from the grid (mainly due to system reaction times) 156kWh consumed ourselves, and 76kWh sent to the grid where we weren’t able to consume or charge the batteries (because they were full and no hot water tank). Just changed to a tarif that pays 21.8p or 34.9p per unit depending on time.

Yes. If you have the money for an EV, but buy an efficient ICE vehicle instead. Putting the difference towards PV and battery will be more environmentally beneficial, especially if you are able to heat your day's hot water from the sun too.
If you have a good 4kW solar system and 10kW of battery storage, then on a good day you should see almost 30kW of energy. This will cover most normal household consumption, and give a 140L tank of hot water too. It's actually worth installing a hot water cylinder, instead for getting a pittance from the electric company for your exported electricity. However if the electric company pay well for your exports, then you'll need to do the maths to see what gives the best return.

This is the route I'm going to take, until EVs became cheaper on the second hand market. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.