I have just had a call from JLR Dealer Sales Team.
My Metro is in for it's annual service on Monday, and it seems that they would like a quick chat around what I might think about replacing my car. I explained that I am not planning to change until my FL2 is nearer its 10th birthday, but agreed to meet a salesman/lady.

What triggered this note is that they said that with the long delivery times I should be thinking of starting the buying process off soon as it would be well into next year before I received a new car.

I recently started monitoring the Hyundia Forum as I was checking out what was being said about the Ioniq 5 EV, which seems to have the right size and looks for me. What I quickly noticed was that there were lots of comments (complaints?) about multiple missed delivery dates and delivery delays, stretching to nearly a year. Also certain trims/power units were not being produced, and things like wrong interior colours were having to be accepted.

I think that these problems with deliveries are quite common across all car producers.

Apart from confirming that owner's forums are always worth checking before making decisions, I can see that the only way that you can be certain of buying a car in a reasonable time at the moment is try to find a used one and pay the inflated prices there.

PS Oddly the JLR Dealer missed a chance of 'hooking me' by not being able to source a DS PHEV as a loan car for the day.
I did ask if it was possible.

Also, I have now been very happy with my FL2s over the last 10 years, and as it continues (touch wood) to provide comfortable, pleasant and reliable travel, I might be hanging onto it forever. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

Save you loads if you did hang onto it!!
Even if the reason for getting rid at 10 years is the dreaded 10 year service (just had mine done £995-part dealer/part Bells auto) this price is probably about 2/52 payment/lease for new car
No brainer-save money and keep yours

What ever you do don’t be tempted by the PCP trap it’s a mugs game.

Not really. When you pay a PCP, all your doing is paying the depreciation you would have lost of you'd bought it outright...

Exactly you’re only paying for the depreciation then at the end of the contract your are faced with a massive final payment.

One of my sons placed an order for a new Porsche 911 Carrera earlier this week. He had to put £5k down as a (returnable) deposit to get in the queue and he has been told that he will probably get it at the end of 2023. In about 3 months he will be given a build date. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

I ordered a HiLux in August 2022 . Delivery estimate April 23 , now told it’s Nov 23 . I feel like cancelling it , but the other option is buying an overpriced used car . I’m also told that as I’m buying on discount scheme I can’t lose if I take delivery and sell on .

I do wonder If as a cash buyer for the HiLux I’m getting bumped back as various lease /PCPs are more lucrative to the trade than the discounted scheme from my shooting organisation

At the end of next month the Grenadier will be available for test drives , but delivery will be over a year . My farming friend Liz has just taken delivery of a Velar , all round that’s a very impressive thing but delivery is around a year . I looked at a new Subaru last week , again another but … but I don’t want petrol. 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

What is causing this delay now? The covid excuse can't still be valid. I'd have thought manufacturing would be back to normal. A year + wait for any new car is ridiculous, as are second hand prices just now. Glad I've no intention of changing the Freelander any time soon. Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

MartynB wrote:

I ordered a HiLux in August 2022 . Delivery estimate April 23 , now told it’s Nov 23 . I feel like cancelling it , but the other option is buying an overpriced used car . I’m also told that as I’m buying on discount scheme I can’t lose if I take delivery and sell on.

Bobupndown wrote:

What is causing this delay now? The covid excuse can't still be valid. I'd have thought manufacturing would be back to normal. A year + wait for any new car is ridiculous, as are second hand prices just now. Glad I've no intention of changing the Freelander any time soon.

British Leyland UK engineering at its best 😂

As long as they don’t bring back the square steering wheel … oh and the special Allegro paint scheme .. dog **** brown ! 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

IanMetro wrote:

What confuses me is that the salesmen seem to be still eager to sign you up, although in truth there is no certainty that a new car will arrive within a reasonable time.

Hi,

There happy to take your deposit its something on the books and then wait to see when it might turn up
some dont even have a build slot to sell, but will still take your deposit (allegedly )

we ordered with Porsche in April last year with a 3 month (optimistic!) built time, we thought 4-5 months realistically and wanted to reg in Sept if it came in 3 months great but nearer 5 and it would wait till Sept
7 months later it turned up.

Currently place an order and its 7-10 months were thinking next car Jan 2024 when do we order, Jan 2023  .
my first ever FL2 and I did keep it longer than most other cars!
But its now gone way up Norf

All of this is in stark contrast to many years ago when I worked for an accountants who had the audit for a car importers. They stored the vehicles in yards in Kent where they awaited degreasing and preparation. A colleague had to audit that stock every year and found many of them still parked up from the previous count, obviously waiting to be moved on to dealers

Bobupndown wrote:

What is causing this delay now? The covid excuse can't still be valid.