It's the new Ineos Grenadier! Definitely NOT the old Land Rover Defender

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2002 Mini Cooper S (2008-2012)
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Starting at around £40K+ according to AutoExpress - but not due out till 2022 Jules

Yes l saw that, l was expecting a price closer to dacia
But its too close to the new defender which begs the question which one would you go for. . .new defender for me if l ever had that type of cash spare. 2017 SEAT Ateca 4drive 2.0 xcellence (May 2022 -
2007 HSE with HST bodykit in Zermatt Silver 169,700 miles (dec 2016 - May 2022 )
2007 Honda Civic Type S GT (2012-2017)
2002 Mini Cooper S (2008-2012)
1992 Honda Legend 3.2i (2003-2008)
1990 Honda Concerto (1999-2003)
1985 Honda Accord (1997-1999)
1983 Honda Accord (1993-1997)
1983 Mini Mayfair (1988-1993)
1974 Mini 1000 (1979-1986)

Not that either really appeal to me, but if I needed one then it would be the one built in the UK rather than one built in a foreign factory. LR or Tata seems to have missed a rather large point in buying British. I can see the point in assembling ewokes in China for sale in China- tax wise it makes sense. But I would resign from a company rather than drive a foreign built car- and have done so when I was told my next car was a BMW, did the same again when they presented me at another company with a Merc. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

I was just happy to get a job and never considered resigning when I had to get the bus to work . . . .I guess we all have our levels of importance . . .  2017 SEAT Ateca 4drive 2.0 xcellence (May 2022 -
2007 HSE with HST bodykit in Zermatt Silver 169,700 miles (dec 2016 - May 2022 )
2007 Honda Civic Type S GT (2012-2017)
2002 Mini Cooper S (2008-2012)
1992 Honda Legend 3.2i (2003-2008)
1990 Honda Concerto (1999-2003)
1985 Honda Accord (1997-1999)
1983 Honda Accord (1993-1997)
1983 Mini Mayfair (1988-1993)
1974 Mini 1000 (1979-1986)

I'm with you Andy and not just cars , Britain needs to climb back to the top of the design and manufacture league where it belongs and to do that people need to buy British


 If it wasn't so bad it'd be funny.

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Freelander 2 HSE auto 2014 ( Florrie ) ..... Try again.
Freelander 2 GS 2012...... Gone.

Except for body panels and trim most cars are built from parts accessed in any part of the world, I'm not sure where JLR press their panels and which factories are just assembly plants, but normally any car is country assembled, tax plays a great part of where components are made and again even some components are assembled.
Going back to choice the new 110 Defender looks a real brute of a car and undeniably a Land Rover without looking like a cross between a Meccano/Lego product, the Grenadier is really just a modern replica similar to those C and D type Jaguars and other similar classic type products produced by some companies a few years ago with very a limited market. I saw a new 110 the other day in town it really stood out initially head on I thought it was FFRR but not quite right, on an OE plate so an LR car and probably got lost on its way to a demo day at Loch Lomond, though I'm not sure how this would happen in the blessed Nicola's Covid19 semi dictatorship  my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

Andy131 wrote:

Not that either really appeal to me, but if I needed one then it would be the one built in the UK rather than one built in a foreign factory. LR or Tata seems to have missed a rather large point in buying British. I can see the point in assembling ewokes in China for sale in China- tax wise it makes sense. But I would resign from a company rather than drive a foreign built car- and have done so when I was told my next car was a BMW, did the same again when they presented me at another company with a Merc.

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But I would resign from a company rather than drive a foreign built car- and have done so when I was told my next car was a BMW, did the same again when they presented me at another company with a Merc.

Not anti-foreign cars - we have bought two new Skodas in the past.

As a British Engineer, representing British engineering companies it stinks of hypocrisy when you turn up in a BMW (other foreign makes are available). That was the point I was making to the employer, unfortunately I don't bargain well, I gave both employers one chance to change their minds, there first response was you will drive what you are given, when I resigned they both tried to take a step back - too late.

I have been "lucky" I studied hard, and went into engineering, and continued to study - engineering is a passion not an employment. As such I have only been out of work once for longer than a few days - 2008 recession

Employers need to remember that it is a two way street, they must sell the company to prospective employees as much as the prospective employees need to sell themselves to the company. Fail this basic test and companies end up with second best, and employees end up in dead end jobs that they hate and will continually move on.

As an aside we saw a new 110 yesterday, in the wilds of Manchester SWMBO was very impressed, "wouldn't you like one of those"" no love, very happy with the DS, but a massive leap forward compared to the Defender". She was shocked and thought it couldn't have been designed by the same people who only a few years ago were selling outdated tractors as cars. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner