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rambling rollie



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sort of a judder/shudder/vibration at 60km/h (35 miles/hr)

Greetings from Africa!
i know there's tons of judder/whining/clanking posts but please bear with me.

When i accelerate gently i get a light judder/vibration at around 35mph (60km/h). It only lasts while i'm at that speed, and only if i am driving gently. (this isn't the "40km/h" transfer of power to the front wheels, this is about 15-20 km/h faster)..
If i accelerate reasonably hard it isn't noticeable.

What is it? I don't think Haldex. Perhaps balancing?, driveshaft or propshaft problem? brakes? handbrake?

(Automatic - SD4 - 2010)

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rambling rollie



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Grue



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I know you said gentle acceleration to get out to happen, but when you're mid judder, accelerate hard. It disappears or remains?
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^^^Good question!
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I Like Chips



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What is the rev speed when it happens

Does it happen at a narrow rev range, i.e when the box is changing gear for instance

Is it worse going uphill

Have you done a full change of the ATF
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rambling rollie



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Grue wrote:
I know you said gentle acceleration to get out to happen, but when you're mid judder, accelerate hard. It disappears or remains?


If i accelerate mid judder it disappears...

If i accelerate normally/hard from below that speed i don't notice it at all, and if i then coast until just below 60km/h i also don't feel it - only during gentle acceleration up to just below 60km/h...

I haven't confirmed revs - it doesn't seem to be related to revs, but will check.
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rambling rollie



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I Like Chips wrote:
What is the rev speed when it happens

Does it happen at a narrow rev range, i.e when the box is changing gear for instance

Is it worse going uphill

Have you done a full change of the ATF


I haven't changed fluid but can confirm it was recently topped up.

Up hills is better, normal power is better, gentle acceleration is worse..., it seems speed related not rev related.
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Can you give a bit more information on car history please, such as mileage, servicing, past problems, otherwise it is pure guesswork.

Also check if it is vehicle speed or engine speed related. My guess is that it will be a rotating joint somewhere, or an imbalance that is shaking a poorly suspension joint. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
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rambling rollie



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It's done 210 000 km (what's that - 130K miles?), been looked after and serviced well.

I agree it's probably a rotating joint or similar.

I'm going to lift it up this weekend and see if i can see anything wrong/loose/odd with the following:

Propshafts (shafts and Universal joints)

CV joints.

Driveshafts.

Engine mountings top and bottom.

Viscous coupling.

Brakes (incl Handbrake).

Wheel play....
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Does it feel like you’re driving over a small cattle grid?
If so my money is on the torque converter failing.
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rambling rollie



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Would a failing torque converter only show symptoms at 60km/h (35 mph), no other speed or revs?
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Grue



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Doesn't really sound like the ptu or gearbox judder, mine was rev based and got worse trying to accelerate through it. Id be on the steering /wheels side of things also
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rambling rollie



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If I grab hold of my rear drive shafts and jerk them there's some play, making a light clicking sound at the wheel side. What is the tolerance?

My front shafts don't move at all...
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https://www.freel2.com/forum/topic35419.html FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)
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