jules wrote:

Maybe moving to Slovaki will improve this aspect.

@Tigger I must admit I added that on the end with a bit tongue in cheek.
But now I think about it , at the time when I bought our Fabia and Octavia VRSs it was widely held view that Skoda quality (as opposed to luxury) was better than VW or Audi yet they were all basically the same VAG cars (polo and golf respectively) but built in the Czech Republic instead of Germany. Jules

j77 wrote:

Here in the UK they finished 21st out of 25, finishing above Jaguar, Audi, Fiat and BMW.

It’s a JD power survey, it’s not worth the paper it’s written on, whether they come top or bottom the survey in my eyes is meaningless.

I’m on my 10th LR and only one has left me at the side of the road, my D3, which is how I judge dependability. And my overall experience with the brand I’d place them a lot higher. 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

With the issues you've had  D4 HSE Lux for me
FL2 HSE Zermatt & Alpacca for the wife now gone
Skoda Yeti L&K for the wife.

I have been in the Land Rover camp for over 10 years now....2 x Freelander and now a DS.

NONE of them have ever let me down in the past, and I sincerely hope that the DS continues in that reliable vein of form.

I had more trouble with Vauxhalls. Like forums, (not this one specifically) Surveys only ever bring out the worst in a vehicle ownership, and rarely a positive. If you believed everything posted on the DS forum regarding reliability, JLR wouldn't sell a single vehicle! Never mind the fact that it is (currently) their best seller!

If you drive a survey reported reliable car only reported major failure will be noted, if a survey reports the car is unreliable then everything is reported to continue the myth. Based on thatJLR has no chance, however if the survey is basd on LR against only 4X4 from other manufacturers it will be much higher up the list.
The often reported Hyundai SF best tow car is showing up a few cars that the awd clutch doesn't work and never has, only found out when they tried to tow the caravan off a wet field and the rear wheels wouldn't spin, only the front wheels and no motion, one wonders how many not towing know their car is also duff  my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

pelyma wrote:

With the issues you've had

Yeah the Velars had the odd issue or 10 but it’s never left me at the side of the road. 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

Out of interest, what were those odd issues?

A new care should have no issues really. Jules

Probably the same problems as my neighbours......InControl Touch Pro Duo gremlins.

Freelander 2 lovely car had it for almost 10 years.
Comfortable and nice to drive.................except when I'm under it trying to fix niggly faults.

I never go anywhere in it without a code reader in the glove box so that I can clear the reduced engine code when it thinks the turbo has taken a hissy fit.

Still I'll most likely keep it until I can't fix it any more. Now at the point when I learn something new something old is lost out the other side !
Now retired so it doesn't matter anymore.
Freelander now gone.

jules wrote:

Out of interest, what were those odd issues?

A new care should have no issues really.

Which part of the car would you like me to start at?

Software is the main one, just stupid things, like Bluetooth not working, live services not working. Each update would cure one issue but create another.

The big one though was the headlights cracking, fought with LR on that one as they claimed my car must have been hit by something, even eventually got the headlight manufacturer involved and amazingly my dealer actually backed me up, I jumped through god knows how many hoops, getting photos taken, tech manager from the factory came up to inspect the car and took hundreds of photos. I was looking at least a £6.5k bill, yes £3k per light plus fitting.

Then the rear one went the same way but I found a technical bulletin relating to that one, it was changed without question.

I’ve got a fair bit of corrosion on the brake discs which is a known issue but it’s not bad enough for LR to replace them.

Oh almost forgot about the rear shock absorber, it was leaking fluid about 4 weeks into ownership.

Oh how we laughed  21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

"Software is the main one,....."

In fairness the FL2 had many software issues on release.
Stupid things, like a dealer taking ALL DAY to install new software ..... for the panoramic roof !!
Couldn't get tow electrics to work .......+ many more. (which I am sure must be detailed in very early posts here.)

j77 wrote:

jules wrote:

Out of interest, what were those odd issues?

A new care should have no issues really.

Which part of the car would you like me to start at?

Software is the main one, just stupid things, like Bluetooth not working, live services not working. Each update would cure one issue but create another.

The big one though was the headlights cracking, fought with LR on that one as they claimed my car must have been hit by something, even eventually got the headlight manufacturer involved and amazingly my dealer actually backed me up, I jumped through god knows how many hoops, getting photos taken, tech manager from the factory came up to inspect the car and took hundreds of photos. I was looking at least a £6.5k bill, yes £3k per light plus fitting.

Then the rear one went the same way but I found a technical bulletin relating to that one, it was changed without question.

I’ve got a fair bit of corrosion on the brake discs which is a known issue but it’s not bad enough for LR to replace them.

Oh almost forgot about the rear shock absorber, it was leaking fluid about 4 weeks into ownership.

Oh how we laughed

Tigger wrote:

You can put the phrase “money pit” on YouTube down to that complete tool, Scotty Kilmer; the Donald Trump of YouTube

Besides, what kind of fool starts with a complex and costly, 16 year and 160,000 miles old, second hand car and expects complete reliability and inexpensive ownership?