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Sidthecat



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New boiler

Needing a new boiler and wondered if anyone has ever used any of the national on-line installers? Had British Gas round and seriously expensive. Couple of local firms been in, given estimates but a pita in trying to get them to give us a date when they might be able to instal - if you don't want the work, say so.
Couple of quotes from on-line firms but neither is local so they've never seen the house etc etc. Sense their estimates could go up with 'add-ons'

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British Gas may sound dear Sid but peace of mind of a good boiler, long warranty and professional workmanship is worth the £££'s even more so as you don't mess with gas mate Thumbs Up


Personally wouldn't bother with the on line lot as if there's a problem you need it sorted ASAP not messing about trying to contact them as for the locals you've caught them at their busiest time. Wink



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We had a quote for a boiler change from BG for a Vaillant to be fitted in our loft in the same place as the old one. £3,400 that included £600 just to fit a finishing trim on the flue as 'scaffolding or a tower' would be needed. I ended up buying a better spec Vaillant boiler that BG quoted for and getting it fitted by a Vaillant approved local installer so we got the 7 year guarantee. I ended up paying £1,800 in total. Quite a difference. Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
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Sidthecat



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JulesK wrote:
British Gas may sound dear Sid but peace of mind of a good boiler, long warranty and professional workmanship is worth the £££'s even more so as you don't mess with gas mate Thumbs Up

Personally wouldn't bother with the on line lot as if there's a problem you need it sorted ASAP not messing about trying to contact them as for the locals you've caught them at their busiest time. Wink

Sheep


This is Significant Others view however their estimate is 50% higher than a couple of the independents - coming in at around £3500, as against £2300. I tried calling to question several 'extras' included in their estimate (such as extended flue, bits of pipe, flushing, inhibitor etc etc all of which the others have included as part of the routine installation) but been told by their call centre they can't help, I need to speak to the guy that attended - tried calling him three times since before Christmas yet no response Neutral It seems the call centre can only take my order Laughing Seems BG don't want the business?
Can't get any replies from independents now either ffs. Does no one want the job?

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Lightwater



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So you have go rid of the old boiler! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Dartman the one



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BG charges are well over the top, the price of any top grade boiler on line is about £1400 including flue kit all companies fit in a day, so that seems to indicate that £2100 is labour and a couple of metres of pipe and elbow joints, even with a huge mark up lets say materials are £100 and the work a 8 hour day with two men, that makes it £125/hr, you may have a big company behind the quote but their training and qualifications are no better than any other Gas Safe fitter ( they ain't engineers no matter what the advertising blurb says)
The maximum price should be boiler price plus £1000 and they are doing well at that, I would suspect that anything higher is either over charging or they don't get it right in the first place and it covers remedial work, and that doesn't mean you will have heating and hot water while you wait for them to come back. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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gasman



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One thing no one has mentioned, most independent installers only want the install business. If the appliance has a subsequent breakdown you will be directed to the manufacturers repair team. Most of the engineers that work directly for the manufacturer cover a very large area, therefore the waiting time for a repair appointment can be considerable.
British Gas, on the other hand has it's own dedicated repair engineers who are available 7 days a week and do warranty work for most manufacturers as well as none warranty work.
Just something to consider. Thumbs Up

As for a good boiler, you can't go wrong with a Worcester Bosch. Very Happy

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JulesK



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Thank you gasman Thumbs Up just as I alluded to in earlier post.



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Boxbrownie



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Dartman the one wrote:
BG charges are well over the top, the price of any top grade boiler on line is about £1400 including flue kit all companies fit in a day.


That is a sweeping statement that just isn’t true, sorry.

We will need a new boiler in a couple of years and pricing just the boiler alone is £2400 for a Vaillant and slightly less for a Worcester Bosch.......entirely depends upon the type of boiler and size of dwelling. Regards

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Do you ever use heatpump systems? Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Ground Source Heat Pumps are brilliant but in the UK you have to get the Environment Agency involved if doing a bore hole type in case you disturb the water table. Otherwise you need to own a small paddock for the other type ( brains go, can't remember the name ) . If in OZ I would definitely have one. Thumbs Up Now at the point when I learn something new something old is lost out the other side !
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We're in a small mid-terrace Victorian place, with a very small back garden and can just see the water boards faces if I ask to drill a Censored hole through the middle of the front room Rolling with laughter

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Just fitted a gshp system, but not domestic, it's 3x 84kw pumps linked to 10000m of underground pipe loops. Very impressive tech,
But gshp does pump out high temp water efficiently so is only really good for central heating duties not hot water for taps/showers.
Works best in well insulated houses otherwise you need to add underfloor piping and or oversized radiators.
My system outputs water at approx 42c, fine for heating poultry sheds to 32c but needs a huge fan assisted radiator At work
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Dartman the one



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Boxbrownie wrote:
Dartman the one wrote:
BG charges are well over the top, the price of any top grade boiler on line is about £1400 including flue kit all companies fit in a day.


That is a sweeping statement that just isn’t true, sorry.

We will need a new boiler in a couple of years and pricing just the boiler alone is £2400 for a Vaillant and slightly less for a Worcester Bosch.......entirely depends upon the type of boiler and size of dwelling.


That price is for a 48kw system boiler, and not discounted, most of us don't live in castles and a 35kw combi will suit the average 4/5 bedroom house, in Syd's case a 28kw combi would suit providing his water pressure is high enough. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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