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The Doctor Member Since: 09 Jul 2010 Location: Gallifrey Posts: 4615 |
your posts are laughable with nothing to back them up. The information in that video proves I acted appropriately and correctly as per the Highway Code which you refuse to accept.
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18th Jul 2019 9:34 pm |
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JulesK Member Since: 07 Dec 2014 Location: Ceredigion. Posts: 1664 |
Do as you like Doc but pleased be warned I will not give way to any buffon who thinks they have some God given right to be home 15 minutes before anyone else.
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18th Jul 2019 9:56 pm |
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The Doctor Member Since: 09 Jul 2010 Location: Gallifrey Posts: 4615 |
If they are one of those tools that drive fast to the very end and try to charge in I can understand frustration but if following the code and road markings at a slow pace, then no.
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18th Jul 2019 10:05 pm |
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Dartman the one Member Since: 04 Apr 2013 Location: Seville, Spain Posts: 1687 |
There is a complete difference between queuing traffic at a merge and queuing traffic at either permanent or temporary lights, the merge will reduce speed if merging is executed before the cones but continue to flow, queue jumping will cause traffic to halt at the cones due to last minute volume causing the inner lane to halt to let the outer lane in. Traffic lights are a different condition as they are there to stop traffic, proceeding down the right hand lane causes that lane to block as well but only apparently shortens the queue, the time is about the same, however should there be turnings right or left then the outside lane should be left for those wishing to turn off thus shortening the queue or for emergency vehicles ( you are supposed to leave a gap at road junctions). Therefore in effect Doc you are a queue jumper not an intelligent road user whatever your excuse or ill considered logic my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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19th Jul 2019 4:12 am |
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Paul4751 Member Since: 02 Mar 2018 Location: lightwater Posts: 205 |
The use of all lanes and merging at the pinch point is definitely the most efficient use of the highway, and it's a shame that it is not more widely promoted and standard practice. The problem is that Brits are too polite and ill informed and mostly form a queue at the first indication of the need to narrow. Those that then are in a queue get pushed back by queue jumpers who are more street wise. It's understandable that those in line get upset by those that haven't bothered to --in their view--conform. It unfortunately leads to hooting, shoving and blocking, often way before the pinch point. Think about it; If two lanes are progressing normally and there is warning that traffic needs to merge 1 mile ahead, the traffic MUST slow down to a crawl, zip merge politely and progress in single file. That could be accomplished within half a mile leaving another half mile of completely free outside lane. That is what some consider the correct ideal procedure. But that WILL allow "queue jumpers" to take advantage. How much better to adopt the zip merge at the pinch point which happens anyway (but half mile earlier), makes full use of the highway, eliminates frustrated tempers and the perceived need for blocking. |
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19th Jul 2019 5:22 am |
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Dartman the one Member Since: 04 Apr 2013 Location: Seville, Spain Posts: 1687 |
The pinch point is too late as the outside lane will halt, it must be attempted before the 300m warning and comleted by the 100m warning, however that won't work at traffic lights as the lights are there to halt traffic. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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19th Jul 2019 5:42 am |
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JulesK Member Since: 07 Dec 2014 Location: Ceredigion. Posts: 1664 |
At slip roads and the like I will let folk merge one car in front of me but when, as happened the other day a buffon comes across chevrons to get in before her turn then NOPE same as approaching closed lanes and speeding to the end NOPE.
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19th Jul 2019 6:56 am |
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The Doctor Member Since: 09 Jul 2010 Location: Gallifrey Posts: 4615 |
Dartman, you have misunderstood. The 2 lanes do not lead to traffic lights directly. There’s a dual carriageway up the hill which eventually becomes a single carriageway as the build up to a 30 zone begins. Once in the 30 zone, there’s still some more time to go before the lights. As they were temporary lights, traffic was worse than normal and had backed up all the way past the 30 zone and all the way back down the hill on the dual carriageway.
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19th Jul 2019 7:16 am |
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Dartman the one Member Since: 04 Apr 2013 Location: Seville, Spain Posts: 1687 |
It really depends on where the warning of the lights are in that case, whilst making your case on here, would you chance your arm in court with the expectation of costs being awarded against you if you fail in your explanation. That is where your explanation may or may not fail. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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19th Jul 2019 8:05 am |
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The Doctor Member Since: 09 Jul 2010 Location: Gallifrey Posts: 4615 |
It must have been a recent breakdown of the lights as the first I knew of it was when I eventually reached them and saw workers in high vis at the scene. No advanced signage even in the 30 zone. LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
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19th Jul 2019 8:09 am |
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IanMetro Member Since: 11 Sep 2017 Location: Somerset BS21 Posts: 3127 |
Sense at last! I can now see that the merging must occur somewhere before the obstruction, we are argueing over how far up the road it takes place. Perhaps it would be better if we all cooperated, and tried to see things from the other's point of view. It is probably better adjust our own behaviour, to match the situation, than try to control all the other road users around us. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011) FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015) Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History (Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?) |
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19th Jul 2019 8:25 am |
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MartynB Member Since: 08 Aug 2011 Location: Currently Rootless ! Posts: 1780 |
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19th Jul 2019 8:28 am |
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MartynB Member Since: 08 Aug 2011 Location: Currently Rootless ! Posts: 1780 |
2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership 2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned ! 2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto . |
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19th Jul 2019 8:28 am |
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tenet Member Since: 23 Jul 2009 Location: cotswolds Posts: 1081 |
I think Martyn put his finger on it upthread talking about static and dynamic merging. If as you said a queue had already formed (static) then I would contend that you were driving out with the road conditions especially as you were familiar with the route and as such should have joined the end of the queue. Conversely if the traffic was moving then indeed the inside lane drivers were acting selfishly in not letting you in.
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19th Jul 2019 8:49 am |
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