Boxbrownie wrote:

"less certain to my mind"....."I think"........"would look similar I guess"........

Great facts

Oh good heavens........don't listen to Governments.......that's where your going wrong  Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

And Car manufactures or any other industry that is dependant on making money,
I've been around far to long to believe governments and car makers.
Dave DAVE.

Boxbrownie wrote:

PHEV are the most popular (or sold) mainly because of the company car tax advantages and they are cheaper due to having a MUCH smaller battery than a full EV alternative.

You could be right there Ian,
for most drivers PHEV seems to be the only viable option,
Dave DAVE.

It’s interesting to see how many people appear to think that continuing to run an ICE car is going to be a viable long term alternative.

Given that there are a lot of cars over 10-15 years old on the roads these days (they do seem to last a lot longer) I would have thought that it will take 15-20 years for the current cohort of vehicles to move on even if we stopped buying ICE powered cars tomorrow.   I bet that in 15 years time there will still be places like Kwik Fit fixing suspension and steering components for annual MOT tests as well as replacing tyres and doing wheel balancing and track adjusting even on EVs.   As time goes by there will be some interesting issues developing about finding someone who knows how to fix a ICE or do cambelt changes and that will probably fall on smaller specialists (similar to finding places now that specialise in 30 year old Porsche 911s etc). 
I suppose that the people most under threat will be mechanics in main dealerships as the newer vehicles will not have ICE or gearbox problems and the other parts won't wear out until after the warranty period.  There will be a need for some IT technician type roll for diagnosing software problems of course.
There will be another issue eventually about finding somewhere to buy petrol and diesel as volumes fall and sites consolidate so that range anxiety eventually becomes an ICE issue ! 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

Dave47 wrote:

You could be right there Ian,
for most drivers PHEV seems to be the only viable option,
Dave

I'd consider a PHEV but simply can't afford one unless going down the finance route and I'm probably in the same boat as many others on this.
Looking that I'll stick with the Freelander until next year when the Emmission Zone gets pushed out even farther by which time I can probably retire and move away altogether . . . . . more than likely into another area with an EZ

Although I agree with him, I wish Sid had not said that.

Is my fate to be, sitting on the end of my drive, watching year by year, the EZ zone expanding, until it is lapping at my feet and I am forced to abandon my (diesel) FL2.

Are we going to be some latter day King Canutes, commanding (and failing) to turn the tide.

For several years I have looked at EV/PHEV/Hybrid replacements, but so far I have not met the right cost/convenience/range package.

Most salesmen have tried to sell me the EV/PHEV/Hybrid cars on their tax advantages, not their practicality. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 79k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

Ian, unless you're in the centre of town, it's unlikely a EZ will hit you before it does me up here in London. Unless the Mayor backs down (unlikely) or someone new gets voted in that's pro-motorist (unlikely) I'm certainly looking at paying the daily £12.50 from October next year hence my hope that I'll be away from here by then.
Being employed, and not using a company car, there are no tax breaks for me.

This has appeared today on the Financial Times website

Jaguar Land Rover will commit to investing hundreds of millions of pounds to prepare its Castle Bromwich plant to build electric cars, ahead of a wave of new battery models it hopes to make in the UK.

The carmaker has scheduled a six-week shutdown at the site to install a new range of tooling that will allow it to make battery cars.

The replacement for the XJ, the flagship Jaguar saloon used by several government ministers including business secretary Greg Clark, is expected to be fully electric and made at the site.

An announcement about the electric investment in expected on Friday, and was first reported by the Sunday Times.

It is a boon for Britain’s largest carmaker, which is cutting 4,500 jobs amid a £2.5bn turnround plan, and helps secure the Castle Bromwich Jaguar plant, which has laid off staff and moved to a four-day week amid crumbling demand for the saloon models made at the site.

Last year the business posted a £3.6bn loss after taking a £3.1bn accounting hit to the value of its models and investments.

The company has been hurt by sliding demand for diesel, which makes up 90 per cent of its European and British sales, as well as falling sales in China and a model line-up that sees many of its vehicles compete directly against one another.

The move is a fillip for the UK’s embattled auto industry, which has struggled to attract new investment and models because of uncertainty over the country’s future relationship with Europe.

To survive in the coming decades, Britain’s car facilities will need to pivot to electric, something made more challenging by the lack of a UK battery plant.

Nissan already manufactures the electric Leaf car in Sunderland, while BMW will assemble the electric Mini in Oxford, albeit using imported German batteries.

But the Jaguar I-Pace, the brand’s first electric car that has accrued a number of awards including World Car of the Year, is made in Austria by contract manufacturer Magna Steyr, in part because of the lack of a suitable UK supply chain.

The extent of government support for the Jaguar project is not yet known, although typically around 10 per cent of a venture’s cost is support by taxpayer funds.

When Toyota spent £240m at its Burnaston plant for new tooling, it was supported by a government investment of £21m. Peugeot’s £100m investment in its Luton van site included £9m of government support.

JLR has previously stated it wants to make electric cars in the UK, but complained about a lack of supply chain.

It recently opened an electric drive facility in Hams Hall, and makes some hybrid engines at its Wolverhampton engine plant. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

Well just maybe had JLR been a bit faster out of the blocks and not left it so late the “supply chain” they moan about not being there, would have been there!

Chicken and Egg JLR.....Chicken and Egg  Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Just a canny way of saying ' we want some taxpayers money or we might have to build it in ...............' (add name here). If it wasn't so bad it'd be funny.

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Freelander 2 HSE auto 2014 ( Florrie ) ..... Try again.
Freelander 2 GS 2012...... Gone.

Same tune, same words.....different singer......

And if PSA shut Ellesemere Port because of the B word, then it’s an good excuse and one that Vauxhall had been waiting for for years, always the threat was there but now they have a cover excuse which people believe

Every motor industry wants the same thing, development centres where the brains will go/live are and factories where the cheapest labour is. The ONLY reason they stay in first world countries are the bribes we pay them.

And yes.....it was the wrong side of the bed  Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Yep very convenient one little word...




 If it wasn't so bad it'd be funny.

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Freelander 2 HSE auto 2014 ( Florrie ) ..... Try again.
Freelander 2 GS 2012...... Gone.