My comment about electric infrastructure in Africa refers to the fact that for a mass market you need lots of generating and distribution capability. We are not just talking about a few strategically placed charging points, we are talking about perhaps networks of solar/wind farms charging storage batteries during the day to charge cars overnight whilst the owners stay in a hotel. Sounds like we need the equivalent of stage coaches and coaching Inns with food and rest for the horses too. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

Stage coaches, for example Broome to Sandfire is 330 km & nothing inbetween, & this is the national ring road highway. Upgrade the diesel to solar, keep the diesel for backup. Maybe the government can chip in to help with our extremely rubbery green house figures (in other words government lies). Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

https://jalopnik.com/the-new-land-rover-de...1831177304 FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-car...019-reveal

Autocar's version of same press release.

If anyone from JLR is reading this, please note that it is getting a bit like 'Ground Hog Day', the same statements are being made again and again.

It's a bit like the PM and Brexit, keep saying the same old thing and play for time, in the hope that something will happen.

JLR ---- I am getting bored with the 'Defender' press releases. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 79k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

Why does it need two exterior bonnet catches? but there are definitely two different cars in the Autocar link, one with BEST 4X4 BY FAR, and RR motif wheels the other with the blanked out signage and non motif wheels, not counting the USA one. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

The bonnet catches are presumably to hold the dummy bonnet on. But what’s underneath? I wonder if rather than the now ubiquitous LR/RR bonnet, they have retained the older wing-and-bonnet look of the Defender? 2005 D3 2.7 Auto
Previously:
2010 MY FL2 TD4e GS - Now gone at 199,500 miles, about 135,000 of them mine.
‘93 Defender 110 200TDi CSW
‘87 Defender 90 4 cyl Petrol
‘83 110 CSW V8 - best ever!
Range Rover 2-door V8 (not sure of year - 4-speed box and vacuum diff switch)
Series III SWB Diesel

Swing opening rear door

Not for me sorry. I'm out  If it wasn't so bad it'd be funny.

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Freelander 2 HSE auto 2014 ( Florrie ) ..... Try again.
Freelander 2 GS 2012...... Gone.

Jules most of us will be out when we see the price !  FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

..... and if anyone is expecting it to look as 'boxy' as it does in the photo shots, they should forget it. FL2 now gone and have a couple of items left for sale:-

Brodit active iPhone holder + Brodit dash clip,
Bluetooth Music Streaming Module.

I’ve said this before , the Defender was never a cheap vehicle . I bought my last new one in 1997 a County 90 station wagon. With a few bits of chequer plate and a tow bar on it I think it was a few shillings shy of £23000 list . By the wonder of the internet that is apparently £41,000 today . Of course now said new Defender will have all the usual electronic gizmos , and be subject to whatever Dick Turpin tax the government has added over the years . The cheapest vehicles in the showroom then were 90 vans at about £15000 -+ VAT , by today’s standards they were laughable .

So yes it’s going to be a pricey vehicle . When you look at the list prices of the nicely specced Toyota / Isuzu/ VW. etc king cab pickup trucks they do look appealing , that’s until you add on the VAT which of course private users have to pay . Then you will find nicely specced versions of those vehicles poking into the £40,000 + bracket 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

Just before my son went out to Kenya two years ago he had a 6 month old demonstrator Mitsubishi L200 Warrior which was very well kitted out and comfortable to drive and came in at around £25k inc vat. Just looking now at current prices and you can get a new one for £31k This is price point that Defender needs to be in.

https://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/new-cars...gLlC_D_BwE 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

Yorky Bob wrote:

Jules most of us will be out when we see the price !

YB think I read £45k up to £70k and they wonder why sales of products are down !!! Ummmm mmm might have to ask the missus ( business masters ) to explain that one

 If it wasn't so bad it'd be funny.

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Freelander 2 HSE auto 2014 ( Florrie ) ..... Try again.
Freelander 2 GS 2012...... Gone.

Dartman the one wrote:

Why does it need two exterior bonnet catches? but there are definitely two different cars in the Autocar link, one with BEST 4X4 BY FAR, and RR motif wheels the other with the blanked out signage and non motif wheels, not counting the USA one.

 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200