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dorsetfreelander



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Porsche brake pad failure

Not LR related but might be of general interest. I helped my son replace the rear brakes on his Porsche 911 this weekend as we had found some brake pad material on the garage floor. The pads had only done 16k miles in 4 years and had 9mm of material left. You can see that a big chunk of material had broken off one of them. They are very large pads, bigger than the FL2 front ones and seem to have bits of wire mixed in with the material (almost like a Brillo pad). Bad news is that they cost about £200 for an axle set!



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This unfortunately is not unusual with high performance brakes and little use, damp gets into the backing pad and the lack of driving means it doesn't dry out, they then de-laminate from the backing plate and fall off. Try finding an after market version with less performance attributes. Is that shaped pad used elsewhere? my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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damp pads drive it more. fetch it up here and I will thrash the pants of fit on a regular basis. F.O.C. ,you just supply fuel At work
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I was at the Porsche dealers workshop a couple of years ago and they were fitting a ceramic disc kit to a 911 at 2 grand a corner, I suppose you could go down that route, youd expect them to last a bit longer at that price? Shocked

As always its not being able to afford to buy the car thats the problem its being able to maintain and service it in the manner to which is needed and thats where all your money goes.

Someone told me that if you have an Aston when they change the brake pads they also have to renew all the calipers too as a set at around £7000, there again is not buying the car that cripples you its the maintenance to keep it going that does.

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dorsetfreelander



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Blimey, I wonder how much a rear diff on an Aston costs? Shocked 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
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chicken george wrote:
fetch it up here and I will thrash the pants of fit on a regular basis.


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Look more like a damp issue rusting the pads to the discs but it can also be caused by hot spotting.
For example if you brake down a motorway slip road and then sit with your foot on the brake the heat transfer from disc too pad causes the pad material to over heat and the binders in the material melt and separate causing pads to delaminates.
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dorsetfreelander



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I think you are correct about the damp causing delamination. This car is only used at weekends so sits in the garage all week. If it is put away in damp weather the brakes seem to seize on slightly and you feel an initial clunk as you drive out the first time. So what I have to do now is rock the car back and forth a bit during the week to make sure they are free (the joys of retirement). I guess that there is a lot more metal in the pads than normal as I have never had this on ordinary cars.

As for ceramic brakes I read about a guy who took his Porsche to get new tyres and the fitter accidentally dropped the wheel on the ceramic disc which chipped it badly. As they have to be replaced in pairs plus pads the bill came to £7k ! 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
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Putting it in the garage wet with the handbrake pulled on and left all week sticks the pads to the discs.

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dorsetfreelander



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It's got drum/discs at the back just like the Freelander and we always leave it with the handbrake off and wheels chocked. I think the issue is that the metal in the pads must be more prone to rust than ordinary pads and more likely to stick to the discs with the slightest rust. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
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