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Chris B Member Since: 23 Jul 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 440 |
What are people using?
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29th Aug 2008 10:39 am |
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avtur Member Since: 11 Nov 2006 Location: Stockport Posts: 1306 |
As far as I'm concerned if it meets the spec in the handbook its good enough. I think the Ford 913B spec (from memory) is easily met. To be honest my motor is topped up with oil from Tesco that meets the spec. I've no doubt that some will be horrified by that, but each to his own.
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29th Aug 2008 3:48 pm |
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yamaha-fan Member Since: 11 Jun 2007 Location: Munich Posts: 324 |
If you want to kill your TD 4 engine prior to expiry of the 3-year LR guarantee, than continue to use the motor oils as recommended by LR as per the Ford Norm WSS ..913 B (so called A1/B1 oils). This motor oil has a REDUCED HTHS value of less than 2,9 mPas (HTHS = high tension, high shear) with the argument of Ford, that a reduced HTHS value will reduce fuel consumption. But at what price. Normally a high HTHS value (> 3,5 mPas) is demanded by most European car manufacturers as only those oils will ensure proper protection of our valuable engines. The Ford Norm WSS....913 A/B was established in 1998 - under todays technological standards a norm which is totally outdated and which does not reflect the vast improvements in motor oil developements. The HTHS value reflects the long term shearing stability of motor oils under pressure and temperature, and it is todays technological standard that only motor oils with a HTHS value of > 3,5 mPas will achieve this under our long term oil change intervals of 20 - 25.000 km.
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1st Sep 2008 5:09 pm |
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snappa Member Since: 16 Apr 2008 Location: Watching C-beams near the Tanhauser Gate Posts: 1633 |
So what oil do you recommend in laymans terms yamahafan?
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1st Sep 2008 7:49 pm |
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Chris B Member Since: 23 Jul 2008 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 440 |
I have topped up 500ml of Magnatec 5W-30 A1 as per Castorl recommnedation and it meets the LR (Ford) spec in the handbook. By doing this the warranty has to be 100% OK. However, I am listening to input ready for an oil change at some point before 15000 miles so please keep replies coming.
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2nd Sep 2008 8:46 am |
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yamaha-fan Member Since: 11 Jun 2007 Location: Munich Posts: 324 |
Dr. Mairing has written a book on lubricants, its classification, purpose and his views on which oil for which engine. It is not an article in a magazine or newspaper. His book is used by the German Courts as a qualified reference in cases of engines versus motor oil.
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2nd Sep 2008 9:17 am |
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snappa Member Since: 16 Apr 2008 Location: Watching C-beams near the Tanhauser Gate Posts: 1633 |
Yeah so in laymans terms can you give us a brand example of an ACEA B4 oil that I could buy in a motor factors?
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2nd Sep 2008 9:22 am |
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yamaha-fan Member Since: 11 Jun 2007 Location: Munich Posts: 324 |
Snappa, a few examples:
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2nd Sep 2008 9:36 am |
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snappa Member Since: 16 Apr 2008 Location: Watching C-beams near the Tanhauser Gate Posts: 1633 |
Brilliant thanks |
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2nd Sep 2008 9:55 am |
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AndyC Member Since: 30 Nov 2007 Location: Where the snow dosen't melt when the sun is shining! Posts: 4165 |
Hi Yamaha-fan,
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2nd Sep 2008 11:47 am |
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avtur Member Since: 11 Nov 2006 Location: Stockport Posts: 1306 |
I don't for one minute doubt the technical authenticity of the references made by YF. But I think there has to be an element of realism here. (lets focus on 99.9% not the 0.1%) Again I would ask the question about the history of engine failures which have resulted from the use of manufacturers recommended oils; are LR's dropping like flies because of poor lubes? How many people do you know, with any make of car) who have suffered an engine failure due to poor lubrication?
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2nd Sep 2008 1:17 pm |
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yamaha-fan Member Since: 11 Jun 2007 Location: Munich Posts: 324 |
AndyC: Motor Oils which meet ACEA C2 and/or C3 are: Mobil 1 Formula ESP 5W30, Shell Helix Ultra "E" 5W30, Castrol Turbo Diesel low saps 5W30 and any other motor oil which meets the Mercedes Benz classification 229.31 (oil change intervall 15.000 km) or 229.51 (oil change intervall 25.000 km).
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2nd Sep 2008 6:12 pm |
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yamaha-fan Member Since: 11 Jun 2007 Location: Munich Posts: 324 |
Hi Avtur, your comments are accepted in general.
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2nd Sep 2008 6:25 pm |
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Ub2 Member Since: 06 Oct 2007 Location: Canberra Posts: 58 |
Hello all
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3rd Sep 2008 11:41 am |
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