Seems to me that the wings in relation to the ground are staying still, therefore no lift, therefore it won't take off.

But more importantly - Do you go upstairs to the bar or does a stewardess serve you in your seat

I always turn left when I get on a plane

Ha ha Nick, I just googled your 'Sig', how the hell did the search come up with that

And why did Kamikaze pilots wear crash helmets

The plane will take off, it's wheels have nothing to do with it.
The plane is pushing against the air, it doesn't matter how fast the treadmill goes, the plane will simply move forward against the air, accelerate and take off.

At this point, Lola, a 23 year old, Latin American stewardess will drop an ice cube in my Bombay Sapphire, lime not lemon! At the same time, Sandra, a 56 year Mother of 8 from Cleethorpes, will be distributing Chateau D'umber in plastic bottles to the brave souls of Gods own country in the back.

the plane is moving through the air at speed lift is created, meanwhile the very long conveyor belt is spinning like hell making the wheels of the plane spin at crazy speed.

but someone watching from a distance will just see a plane moving at speed along a runway, that is until a tyre pops then all they will see is a plane veering of a high speed runway and bursting into flames in a caravan site At work
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A plane traveling at 200mph to the right
A treadmill rotatating at 200mph towards the left, or any speed that negates the airflow over the wings will null any lift generated, if you know anything about how a wing works, it needs airflow, more than the prop could generate, therefor you will see a plane at full take off engine revs generating no airflow over its wings and therefore no lift as it is in fact stood still

The prop in this case is generating forward propulsion which is counteracted in the floor is stood on going in the opposite direction, there's no lift generated again

If the floor suddenly stoped the plane would then move forward generate lift and take off as it now would have required airflow travelling above and below its wing causing lift

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Spot on, if the plane wheels are turning the same speed as the conveyor but in the opposite direction, the plane itself is not in motion, only it's wheels.

You could test out the theory by jacking up the rear wheels of a Veyron, rev it up to 10000 revs and the car would go nowhere, but let down the jack and watch it go ................

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put a jet engine on the veyron and it will go leaving the jack behind, wheels on planes just freewheel

mythbusters simulated it on tv the plane took off

also
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2...e-take-off At work
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The think is the wheels have no effect on take off, they do just free wheel, that's because they freewheel whilst the plane is in motion fowards, but if the ground is rotating as the tread mill then the plane stays still, no air flow no lift, and there is nothing in the equation that says the ground moving backwards will cause the air to do the same

The test MYTHBUSTERS did had many a floor in it, plane too light, plane and ground travelling at different speeds etc etc Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

You're ALL wrong if it's a plane in the UK it will NEVER take-off due to either:

1) baggage handler strike
2) snow on the runway (treadmill)
3) air traffic control strike
4) fog
5) missed take off slot
6) Pilot drunk
7) etc...

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tie a jet pack to your arse then you will soon realise that it pushes you forward no matter what treadmill your on and how fast it is going,, the jetpack would push your body no matter what your legs did.



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Basicaly the trust of a jet engine cannot simple disappear because the planes wheels are on a moving floor. jets and propellors move by hurling air behind them, in affect blowing themselves along, the ground having no affect on this. if the plane needed ground to propel its self on then it would stop as soon as it took off. At work
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Sorry still of movement on plane, you are correct that they have no effect as the simply roll along

But can you explain how the air is been flowed over the wings to create the lift? What is causing the air to move? Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

So if the plane had no wheels it would still take off ? What if there were no hypothetical situations?

I can't believe people some believing the plane will take off

There has to be lift and this lift, high pressure under the wing and low pressure above can only be achieved by air movement, this air movement is only achieved by moving in relation to the air around it. The plane is and always will be at a standstill as long as the conveyor matches its speed in the opposite direction which it can do because the plane is on wheels and has very little frictional forces.

The jetpack anology only works with vertical lift with a force of the jet engine on the ground overcoming mass, completely different to how wing/high and low pressure lift works.