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ctl11



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It was very cold (-10 deg. F or -23 C) a few days ago here in Ohio and our LR2 started just fine in the morning.

I will try that trick next time it's really cold. It's back up in the 20's today.

Post #35077 19th Jan 2009 7:51 pm
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AndyT



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Just to chip in my 2p worth:
My TD4 will wait briefly before cranking in cold weather (sub zero). It stands to reason doesn't it? The colder the engine block, the more help atomised diesel will need to ignite.
I actually think Land Rover have done a good job getting this right. The cranking delay is inversely proportional to the temperature, and it seems quite linear, ie. colder = longer. Makes perfect sense to me.
I recall often having to switch the ignition on/off/on with my BMW 3 series, giving it 2 shots at the glow plugs otherwise it ran like Censored for the first few seconds.
Given everyone's contributions thus far, the problem raised in the initial posting is very likely a particular issue with that car, not an FL2 quirk.

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Minus 10 here in Aberdeen this morning and had no problems starting at all. Engine cranked and fired first push of the button Thumbs Up ______________________
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I have noticed that it takes a good second or two from pushing the button to when the engine begins to turn over. It then takes a few extra turns before firing than it has done on warmer days. TD4, HSE, Santorini Black, SS side protection tubes, clear side repeaters, chrome wing mirror covers

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In minus 5C it normally takes 5 seconds to fire up from cold. In minus 8C it was about 7 seconds last time I tried. Minus 11C today but it wasn’t me that started the beast and the wife doesn’t bother about such things as long as "it goes" Whistle

Not sure if it is only temperature that effects the amount of fire up time. 2007 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Manual with Premium Pack & Moonroof.
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VIKING



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AndyC wrote:
In minus 5C it normally takes 5 seconds to fire up from cold. In minus 8C it was about 7 seconds last time I tried. Minus 11C today but it wasn’t me that started the beast and the wife doesn’t bother about such things as long as "it goes" Whistle

Not sure if it is only temperature that effects the amount of fire up time.


I think maybe humidity also may have an effect? I live by the sea, and it is quite humid here. This morning it was minus 12C, and it took a few seconds before it started. Almost as long as it does up in the mountains in colder weather, -but much dryer air. I dont know if humidity affects the time it takes to start or not. Any views on that? 2008 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Automatic, Caspian Blue, Alpaca, Moon roof, Exclusive pack.

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Vehicle Not Starting at Low Ambient Temperatures

Landrover Global Technical Reference

Data / information is to be found here: , but it is not free, unfortunately, so I have not tried to see what it says in the bulletin.
http://www.landrovertechinfo.com/extlrprod/index2.jsp?markid=2 ( This site provides subscription based access to Technical Service Information for all Land Rover models )

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Vehicle Not Starting at Low Ambient Temperatures
Reference: LTB00100 (1)
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bjartin wrote:
Vehicle Not Starting at Low Ambient Temperatures

Landrover Global Technical Reference


This is LTB00100 however it is referenced to Russian Markets only and is specific to left hand drive. Info as follows

Subject/Concern:Vehicle Not Starting at Low Ambient Temperatures

Models:Freelander 2 - Left-Hand Drive Diesel with Fuel Operated Heater Installed Only
Left-Hand Drive Diesel with Fuel Operated Heater Installed Only VIN- range: H000200 Onwards

Markets: Russia Only

Section: 412-00

Summary:
Vehicle not starting at ambient temperatures below -25°C.

Cause: Poor/failed cranking due to extreme low temperatures. Remote start of the fueloperated
heater allows up to a 30-minute burn of the heater prior to attempting
to start the vehicle. This performs an engine pre-heat function by heating the
coolant, hence raising the engine block and engine oil temperatures which in
turn facilitates cranking/starting. Suggested Customer Concern Code - D03.

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Cold Starting Problem

Hi,

I have a problem with my Freelander 2 and starting in the cold (-6c at mo) when warmer, ie 0 and above the car starts and drives fine, however when it is cold the car struggles to start, the strange bit is that the engine starts to crank over for about 3 seconds then the electrics appear to short out and the whole system resets (ie sat nav restarts etc), then i try again and it does the same, very occasionally it wont short out and the engine will continue to crank and the car will normally start eventually, if not i just repeat the process, unfortunately the other day the battery ran out before starting.

Basically my question is regarding the shorting of the electrics and susbsequent restart of electrics, what could be causing this, what could i do to prevent it till i can get it to a garage as im abroad at the moment?

Hope you can help
Anthony

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iain cooper



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my first thoughts would be your battery is not up to scratch to cope with the extra work ??

Iain

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tonyk28



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Hi Iain,

That was my 1st thought when it happened last time, especially when the battery ran out, however i now have a brand new battery in the car and the problem still happened today..

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iain cooper



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is it still temperature related today Tony ie still -6c ?

Iain

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yes very much so, i think..

0c yesterday no probs

-6c today aforementioned problems, cranked for 3 seconds, cut out, tried again, cranked for 2 secs cut out, few tries later it finally cracked for a while and eventually the car starts, just driven and absolutely fine, restarts every time straight away now

-12c last week above problems but eventually battery went flat, waited couple of days till back to 0c then jump started and no probs, then replaced battery hoping we solve but seems not based on this morning?

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United Kingdom 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Sumatra Black

That behaviour sounds like the voltage to the electronics dropping below its brown-out level. That's the point where reliable operation of the control electronics isn't guaranteed and the system would effectively power down until a suitable voltage is present. There won't be anything 'shorting' - more a lack of sustained voltage.
That would normally be caused by an ageing battery with a high ESR and reduced capacity but since you say it's new I'd say either the battery has a defect from new or the terminals aren't tight and clean.
It would be worth using a charger to do 2 or 3 overnight charges and see what behaviour occurs over the days following.

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