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Giglpinjim

Member Since: 04 Apr 2023
Location: Scotland
Posts: 6

Automatic transmission

Can any one tell me the number for a parking pawl I have a freelander 2 the pawl is located once the transverse case is removed I am trying to stop my vehicle from jerking forward

26th Jul 2023 1:28 pm

alex_pescaru

Member Since: 12 Mar 2009
Location: RO
Posts: 4642

Punctuation marks are so overrated....
Especially for the first post on the forum.

26th Jul 2023 6:13 pm

SYFL2

Member Since: 16 Jun 2012
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 2594

2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

I just don’t understand the post.

26th Jul 2023 7:09 pm

Giglpinjim

Member Since: 04 Apr 2023
Location: Scotland
Posts: 6

Hello Alex.As this has been my first attempt at posting on a Forum, I am just looking for help with my Freelander 2 , Any help with information I would be most grateful.

26th Jul 2023 7:19 pm

Giglpinjim

Member Since: 04 Apr 2023
Location: Scotland
Posts: 6

Re: Automatic transmission

Giglpinjim wrote:
Can any one tell me the number for a parking pawl I have a freelander 2 the pawl is located once the transverse case is removed I am trying to stop my vehicle from jerking forward

Sorry everyone I am new to this Forum, I didn’t make myself clear enough, I have a Freelander2 with a problem of jolting forward, I am looking for the part number for the part called a Parking Pawl , Can anyone help.

26th Jul 2023 7:56 pm

NoDo$h

Member Since: 27 May 2008
Location: fings go booooom.
Posts: 490

2010 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Santorini Black

The gearbox is an Aisin AW TF-80 SC

You won't get any parts from JLR for the gearbox - they see it as "sealed for life" and any faults within warranty are a straight swap back to Aisin for a new box. The box was used in Freelander 2, Evoque, various Volvos, Ford, BMW, Fiat/Chrysler, Toyota..... it's a long list!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC

Best bet would be to talk to a transmission specialist - there's a handy exploded view of the box here that may help you in highlighting the part.

https://www.automaticchoice.com/en-gb/aisi...-catalogue Current driveway contents:
2021 V60 Cross Country B5
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26th Jul 2023 8:52 pm

jules

Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire
Posts: 5021

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Firenze Red

alex_pescaru wrote:
Punctuation marks are so overrated....
Especially for the first post on the forum.

Jules

26th Jul 2023 10:19 pm

jules

Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire
Posts: 5021

NoDo$h wrote:
The gearbox is an Aisin AW TF-80 SC

You won't get any parts from JLR for the gearbox - they see it as "sealed for life" and any faults within warranty are a straight swap back to Aisin for a new box. The box was used in Freelander 2, Evoque, various Volvos, Ford, BMW, Fiat/Chrysler, Toyota..... it's a long list!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC

Best bet would be to talk to a transmission specialist - there's a handy exploded view of the box here that may help you in highlighting the part.

https://www.automaticchoice.com/en-gb/aisi...-catalogue

The OP doesnt say how old his car is but FWIW they made some changes to the autoboxes of 2011 cars.

"Revised transmissions boost efficiency
A second generation Asin Warner AWF21 automatic transmission helps improve efficiency and
emissions with a number of improvements. The Torque converter lock-up works over a wider range
improving comfort, fuel economy and driveability, while optimisation of internal components
reduces weight and inertia for faster shifting. The gear train has been improved with low drag
torque friction plates, taper roller bearings and optimised components for greater efficiency.
Transmission efficiency is also improved by a switch to low viscosity automatic transmission fluid,
while the new control system is faster and has been reduced in weight.
The most significant change is the advanced neutral control logic which reduces drag when the
vehicle is stationary, the engine at idle and Drive selected. While not actually selecting neutral,
drive load is substantially reduced to save fuel and improve refinement. The calibration of the
transmission has been revised by Land Rover engineers to reduce torque converter slip. It retains
Land Rover's Terrain Response features, CommandShift® and adaptive shifting and is available on
the TD4 and SD4 Freelanders but not the two-wheel drive eD4." Jules

26th Jul 2023 10:29 pm

IanMetro

Member Since: 11 Sep 2017
Location: Somerset BS21
Posts: 3134

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 Metropolis LE Auto Fuji White

I took it that the OP was allowing the parking pawl to take the strain when stopping.
I find that under these conditions the FL2 does jerk when you reselect the transmission.
Applying the parking brake before releasing the foot brake should overcome this.

While stationary I just hold the car on the footbrake, and allow the 'false neutral' to do it's thing.

I gave up trying to artificially control the autobox a long time ago, after discovering it quickly adapted to overcome my instructions. (say like slightly lifting to change up - as in the good old days) FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

27th Jul 2023 8:47 am

alex_pescaru

Member Since: 12 Mar 2009
Location: RO
Posts: 4642

Parking pawl is only for parking, in order to "lock" the gearbox.
Now...
About jolting forward, like others have said above:
1.
If the jolt is when you take the box from "Park" to "Drive", first time during the day when you start the car, then this can be because of a car parked on a slight slope.
When the parking pawl "escapes" from the toothed wheel it has engaged, that jolt is felt.
Solution: Engage handbrake, release the service/foot brake and if the car is not moving, engage box's "Park". The procedure is in fact the recommended one in the handbook.
2.
If the jolt is during drive, in traffic, when you release foot brake and press gas pedal, then this a problem with the box's design and is solved (LR thinks...) by a software update for the box.

If you are just looking for that part, I don't believe that you'll find it as a replacement part.
Maybe from "breakers", like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/143764406578

27th Jul 2023 10:27 am

jules

Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire
Posts: 5021

IanMetro wrote:
I took it that the OP was allowing the parking pawl to take the strain when stopping.
I find that under these conditions the FL2 does jerk when you reselect the transmission.
Applying the parking brake before releasing the foot brake should overcome this.

While stationary I just hold the car on the footbrake, and allow the 'false neutral' to do it's thing.

I gave up trying to artificially control the autobox a long time ago, after discovering it quickly adapted to overcome my instructions. (say like slightly lifting to change up - as in the good old days)

Many people with automatics never use the handbrake (cable or electric) and wonder why they seize up and the parking pawl gets damaged.
I, for one, have always engaged the handbrake. The EPB makes for a quick set off at the traffic lights (if required); leave it in D and just go when ready. Jules

27th Jul 2023 5:58 pm

elvisman

Member Since: 25 Oct 2021
Location: Cambridgeshire
Posts: 43

2010 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Bali Blue

Back in the late 70's I worked for Borg Warner at their R&D department. One of the jobs I had to do was put the car in park at speeds of about 25 mph endless times. The reason?, to test the durability of the parking pawl if someone accidently put it in park whilst driving.
Park wont engage unless the car is stationary, instead the pawl is designed to rub over the drum until finally engaging as the car stops.
Im too scared to try it on my car these days, in case I it up.

27th Jul 2023 10:16 pm

robblue

Member Since: 10 Jan 2017
Location: cornwall
Posts: 262

2012 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Santorini Black

I would be a bit scared to try that as well 2009 FL2 S now gone
2011 FL2 HSE AUTO
2012 FL2 XS AUTO
2000 Kawasaki er 5

28th Jul 2023 8:33 am

Giglpinjim

Member Since: 04 Apr 2023
Location: Scotland
Posts: 6

Re: Automatic transmission

Giglpinjim wrote:
Can any one tell me the number for a parking pawl I have a freelander 2 the pawl is located once the transverse case is removed I am trying to stop my vehicle from jerking forward

Quote:

Hi Everyone. Want to thank everyone who supplied information I was looking for regarding my 2011 Freelander SD4 HSE, while looking through this forum I came up with a plan to test the parking pawl , I drove to a hill area I put on my hand brake selected park switched of engine released foot brake then decided to release hand brake , and then the parking pawl slipped in, so decided to drive of and found that coming out of park was quite stiff so I am pleased to have joined this forum.

Cheers Guys.

28th Jul 2023 9:32 am

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