Sid, I think you are out of touch ........ no points anymore ........ it's measured in 1000's of £ in compensation lol

Grimdog wrote:

I fail to understand why people take one look at a statistic, and say yes, look at the numbers, of course more car drivers are killed in RTC's. Probably because they are a higher percentage of all road users? Statistics as we well know, can and are made to say anything the person or organisation wants them to.

Indeed you are correct





Car design has proved to be enormously successful in reducing occupant injury, but less so with the people they hit. Cyclist death rates have not changed much in recent years - its difficult for cyclists to protect themselves from injury following a vehicular collision, much like motorcyclists - but in their case their much higher speed confers a very high death rate, sadly. Jules

This his some interesting stats too

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/a...thers.html

A report from the Parliamentary Advisory Council for Transport Safety 2019 Jules

Grimdog wrote:

Sid, I think you are out of touch ........ no points anymore ........ it's measured in 1000's of £ in compensation lol

If the points systems being replaced I’ll have to think of another game to play when I’m out driving. Perhaps 10 points for every set of traffic lights I run on red, 7 on amber. Believe this is a game invented by cyclists
Still no mention in new rules about cyclists being insured then?

No mention of insurance for cyclists as far as I am aware. I hear tell that there are proposals a foot to take away cyclists "cycling proficiency" badge if they are caught running red lights cycling on the pavement, filtering in slow traffic or riding two abreast, IF they commit more than 100 infractions per day ..........

Sidthecat wrote:

Grimdog wrote:

Sid, I think you are out of touch ........ no points anymore ........ it's measured in 1000's of £ in compensation lol

If the points systems being replaced I’ll have to think of another game to play when I’m out driving. Perhaps 10 points for every set of traffic lights I run on red, 7 on amber. Believe this is a game invented by cyclists
Still no mention in new rules about cyclists being insured then?

In reality cyclists are not identifiable, so they thump the roof of your car in anger and ride away with impunity - you aint going to catch them. If your "lucky" they have run into your stationary vehicle and are lying on the road, do you think that they are going to give you their details?
No 3rd party insurance for cyclists isn't going to happen.

Even if insurance was compulsory, AND they had easily visible identification, would you as an insurance company given the high accident rate want the business?
I was going to add would the average cyclist be able to afford the cost, but this just shows my age, thinking of cyclists as someone who jumps on a bike because it's a cheap mode of transport suitable for short journeys to school / work around town. Then I think about the Lycra clad warriors paying thousands for carbon fiber racing cycles who cycle for fun, and these seem to outnumber the former 10-1 Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
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@Andy131
"I was going to add would the average cyclist be able to afford the cost"

They should. Its not expensive. For instance, if you join Cycle UK; £48 per year gives you £10m 3rd party cover & fantastic legal support. Family membership (2 adults +unlimited children) is £78 per year.
Its the one I have.

British Cycling offers something similar.


I agree identifying cyclists is an issue - not easily solved.

I'm lucky in not living in an urban area and having to suffer the frustrations felt by many city cyclists and drivers. But rural roads are the most dangerous and we do have some terrible drivers around here. My farmer neighbour is one - drives far too fast down single width lanes. Jules

The insurance cost is a surprise.

When it comes to cycling, I have little point of reference, yes I used to ride as a kid (who didn't) but as an owner of a full metal knee cycling is beyond me - can't bend it far enough to operate the pedals, walking isn't much fun either.

I'm afraid that there are as many poor urban drivers and cyclists as rural, the only "advantage" is that we are usually traveling more slowly due to road works / traffic volume so the injuries should be less - although hitting a curb with your head at any speed is never going to end well. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Cycling UK but this video together about the HWC changes; most are advisory ...

https://www.skyfish.com/p/cyclinguk/202200...ction=desc Jules

IanMetro wrote:

One thing that did impress me was the 'Main Road' Traffic Police, they drove open topped Porsches, and in event of autoban hold ups, one of police would stand up and wave the traffic down as the other backed the Porsche up the edge of the road at lightning speed. They were an imposing sight in their long black leather coats and small round crash helmets.

I found this photo showing the Dutch Traffic Police during the 1960s.

It looks as if I got the leather coat colour wrong., but still an imposing sight. Tp slow the traffic down, passenger used to stand in the footwell, making the old fashioned slowing down arm signal, with the Porsche 356 slowing from an initial 70 - 80 mph.

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