What's it going to take to get people vaccinated? The Mayor of London has today declared a major incident in London (whatever that means as I'm sure as hell he's not offering any assistance) and has stated that there are pockets of Black, Muslim and Jewish Londoners that are yet to be vaccinated. I'm sure if I made such a statement I'd be dragged away facing charges of racism, although we know exactly what he's saying.
From all accounts symptomatic patients are utilising the ambulance service to get themselves off to hospital where the majority are taking up valuable bed space whilst isolating. Why are these people not locked indoors with their families? Any bets that the numbers 'ill' will drop off temporarily from, say, Friday else it means being in hospital over the festive period.
All treatment should be denied to anyone that's not been vaccinated and has no legitimate reason not to have been.
And don't even get me started on the professional footballers

Sid
What about the pro footballers

yeah, those footballers

Sorry Sid but you are applying logic when "peoples freedom of choice" is involved.

I have two sons in their late thirties one has JUST had his second vaccination - 9 months after the first, the older son hasn't had any vaccinations. He is working on the principle that he will catch Covid, get over it in a few days - no worse than a cold for someone his age.

I have tried reason, bribery and shouting - not a chance.
The youngest only went ahead after he missed the NEC bike show because he didn't have a Covid pass.

So for me Covid passes work. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
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All this posturing by some MP's regarding civil liberties YET we have motorcyclists having to wear crash helmets and drivers and passengers having to wear seat belts. I hasten to add that I agree with both sets of rules and also strongly agreed with Plan B which got through with Labour's help. I sent an e-mail to my local MP pointing out my displeasure at her actions and warned of unintended consequences. Hey ho two days later the Cons lost N Shropshire partly due to the narrative of the Cons leadership having lost control of the party. MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

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Sidthecat wrote:

All treatment should be denied to anyone that's not been vaccinated and has no legitimate reason not to have been.

I sympathise fully with your particular situation and no doubt there are many around the country that are in the same boat. But at least you’ve had vaccinations.
We’re in SE London and as Khan quite rightly says there are communities that are simply not getting vaccinated. Add to this the same groups that are not wearing masks on public transport and it’s obvious why numbers are getting out of hand.

The problem is that Covid has got out of hand. According to the BBC this morning the number of health workers on sick leave in the capital had risen from below 2,000 to well above 4,000. So anyone needing urgent medical attention in London is not going to get the treatment that they deserve.

If you were in power what would you do?

You can't educate those that will not listen, you can make it difficult for the same people to do as they would like by placing barriers in the way (Covid passports?). But in the end we are playing a losing game, Covid will win, our only chance of saving as many people as possible is to slow the Covid advance so that the NHS isn't overwhelmed.

Speaking as someone who has lost a family member to Covid, and with a Sister who after 25+ years nursing in the NHS has had enough death for one lifetime, I will be surprised - no shocked, if she is still in ICU after Christmas.
How many others are at the point were they believe that the NHS is so broken, so undervalued? That they are putting themselves in harms way so that others can exercise their right to catch and spread Covid.

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I too sympathise with you RealBeale - perhaps you contracted Covid in the interim between jabs as full immunity would not have taken place until a week or two after the second jab (I believe Andrew Marr had this problem). I am surprised that your GP has not been very professional and perhaps a formal letter of complaint to the practice manager would help. I am sure there are blood tests that would confirm what has happened. MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

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It is rumoured that Covid deaths are lower than flu deaths, what the in hospital rates between the two doesn't seem to be available, however the NHS has been said to be collapsing every winter for a number of years, so one assumes that it has had staff problems due to the flu as well.
The question is, is Covid covering up flu deaths and really is the NHS in a worse state than any other year in the winter or has Covid actually made it better, there are too many mirrors and a lot of smoke from various factions, perhaps Boris is right and sit back and see where it goes, he's damned either way if he locks down and nothing happens, he's damned if he does nothing and the Covid rates increase in hospitals.
Regarding writing letters to Practice Managers, they are employed by the doctors not the other way round so not going to be much joy there, but maybe a standard letter saying they are sorry you feel that way, carefully worrded as to not admit any liability.
Yes the vacinations, will help considerably and if you don't accept them then expect to be penalised in your activities regardless of your perceived human rights, we all have rights, the governments decide whose rights are overidden, basically if you are on the wrong side, tough my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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Dartman the one wrote:

It is rumoured that Covid deaths are lower than flu deaths, what the in hospital rates between the two doesn't seem to be available, however the NHS has been said to be collapsing every winter for a number of years, so one assumes that it has had staff problems due to the flu as well.
The question is, is Covid covering up flu deaths

Sidthecat wrote:

I sympathise fully with your particular situation and no doubt there are many around the country that are in the same boat. But at least you’ve had vaccinations.
We’re in SE London and as Khan quite rightly says there are communities that are simply not getting vaccinated. Add to this the same groups that are not wearing masks on public transport and it’s obvious why numbers are getting out of hand.

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Dartman the one wrote:

It is rumoured that Covid deaths are lower than flu deaths, what the in hospital rates between the two doesn't seem to be available, however the NHS has been said to be collapsing every winter for a number of years, so one assumes that it has had staff problems due to the flu as well.
The question is, is Covid covering up flu deaths

RealBeale wrote:

I was double jabbed at the beginning as I'm in a "at risk" group.
However, since the second jab, literally that same day, I came down with symptoms that have not gone away. It affects me EVERY day. From symptoms sometimes being mild, to be very acute. Despite this I still cannot get a GP appointment.
Due to being ill for the last 8 months, I am not going to have any more vaccines as I am worried what other "side affects" I may suffer.