Filling up at the local Texaco?

Tomorrow I need to drag the caravan 325 miles to drop it onsite - they wouldn't give me anything back when I told them that the wife had died so I will block the pitch to stop them robbing me. the next day I will drive the 325 miles back. Repeat the trip next weekend.

My point is the only true battery car that can tow is the Tesla X, this has a range of 100 miles towing my 1350kg van. The caravan site doesn't have charging facilities. so a 7 hour trip there will take maybe 13 hours, and I will need to recharge while having a long meal break in Cornwall for the trip home, so 9 hours home.

Hybrids tend to be petrol, so far thirstier than my dirty diesel towing - maybe Chicken George will get his way and caravans will disappear when you are all forced to drive electric.  Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Electric car or caravan ?
O to 60 in 4.5 seconds vs. 60! Are you insane!! She'll ner take it man


Tough choice


Can you not report the miserable bastrds to the camping,caravan gypsies,tramps and thieves association?
Make sure your portapotty tank doesnt leak outside their office as you leave, it needs to be inside the office. At work
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Andy131 wrote:

Filling up at the local Texaco?

Tomorrow I need to drag the caravan 325 miles to drop it onsite - they wouldn't give me anything back when I told them that the wife had died so I will block the pitch to stop them robbing me. the next day I will drive the 325 miles back. Repeat the trip next weekend.

My point is the only true battery car that can tow is the Tesla X, this has a range of 100 miles towing my 1350kg van. The caravan site doesn't have charging facilities. so a 7 hour trip there will take maybe 13 hours, and I will need to recharge while having a long meal break in Cornwall for the trip home, so 9 hours home.

Hybrids tend to be petrol, so far thirstier than my dirty diesel towing - maybe Chicken George will get his way and caravans will disappear when you are all forced to drive electric.

Non of them are better, it depends on your usage, lots of local running up to 60 mile radius and a smallish car then electric, longer journey bigger car not towing the hybrid petrol or diesel, towing is diesel if you can afford it then hybrid diesel anything with room and long range electric is very expensive. Should you wish to preserve the planet and be green then you will have to change your life style  my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

Totally correct Dartman, there is no one size fits all.

But so far, in terms of the OL, it fits me great. Did a longer run yesterday of about 60 miles at which point it used the petrol engine a lot more. Got a bit of a fright at how quickly the fuel guage went down until I learned that the tank is significantly smaller than a standalone ICE car 😂😂

Averaged about 66% electric driving and petrol use was about 46mpg according to the internal car stats, which even if rough, isn't bad. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Exactly correct, irks me when people love to jump on the “wouldn’t work for me” bandwagon on any thread at all regarding EVs, they are not the panacea to all motoring ills but for some they are perfect, and for the rest they will have to be eventually

After all this was a thread about the findings of a member’s new Hybrid ride, not a debate about it being better than a Freelander. Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Straying further off topic

https://m.facebook.com/PeeweeHerman/videos...d&_rdr At work
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Now that’s funny in an ingenious sort of way, never seen that before although the “fifth wheel” on the pick up truck flatbed is very popular in the states and gaining popularity elsewhere. Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

one of my contractors has a fifth wheel trailer on the flat bed of a light mitsihubishi flat bed truck , fancy arrangement for the inertia brakes built in to the hitch.

not sure is the above beetle has trailer brakes At work
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The Americans use electric brakes with a potentiometer to set the sensitivity from the foot brake pedal, a far better system than our override brakes, it also has an override switch to brake the trailer alone which can kill a snake. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

Thought I'd provide another update on the transition to a hybrid vehicle.

Simply put, the Outlander PHEV is a really good car. It's comfortable, spacious (have done a few trips to the tip and with the seats down has as much room as the FL2 had and more than the Disco Sport.

Getting used to no parking sensors. Relying on the camera plus mirrors. Not a huge deal.

I have found that I just let the car do its thing now, rather than to let with modes etc. Which is nice and shows the tech works well if it can be left to its own devices.

The biggest thing though, is the fuel use. As with everything, it won't suit everyone, but for me where 99% of my journeys are short, this car is perfect. I've done over 1000 miles since I got it and I've only put £20 worth of petrol in it and even then that was so I could try filling it as the fuel cap release is (I think) pressurised. Still got half a tank left as well.

Obviously there are electricity costs, but, using correct fuel costs (at the time of calculation), my FL2 and DS were costing roughly 19p per mile and that's being generous, considering most of the journeys won't have been long enough for the engine to get to temp. The electricity costs per mile in the Outlander is less than 5p. And that's not on one of those super cheaper overnight charge tariffs


I do think, at least mentally, I'd struggle to go back to a fully ICE car now that I've experienced this. Even if my needs changed, this car is fully competent at long journeys on petrol so it fits both needs. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Interestingly, I see JCB have built their own hydrogen ICE for their heavy plant machines.
They have discounted both battery electric power, due to the excessive weight and long recharging times, and hydrogen fuel cells due to the extra huge cost.
They do have a BEV mini-digger but the duty cycles of these small machines are usually short, unlike the heavy plant which often run continuously for long periods with operator shift changes.
Maybe hydrogen ICE will be the way to go for the haulage industry once we find more drivers. Jules

[quote="Chuckalicious"]Thought I'd provide another update on the transition to a hybrid vehicle.

Thanks for the update, good to know how you are getting on with the PHEV.

I really need to get a test drive of one I think, love the concept and overall would likely work quite well for me at the moment.
That said I am loving my F2 at the moment so dont really want/need to change but would like to try the PHEV out still. Andrew

Let's be honest, the Freelander is a unique vehicle and I can't imagine there's anything else out there that will really fill it's shoes in terms of personality. I get the impression the PHEV is the same.

The only things left to watch are the reliability and the real world dealer support as Mitsubishi depart from selling vehicles in the UK. FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - so many issues
2019 DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental
Now greatly regret selling the Outlander. MPG of the FL2 is atrocious and so are the fuel bills. Fun though 😎
Couldn’t afford the fuel bills so back to an older Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Significantly better than I remembered it to be…

Has Mitsubishi ceasing to sell cars in the UK had any effect on the ability to obtain parts or servicing ?

Has it caused a greater depreciation in value than originally expected ? Jules