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Simon J



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2008 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Auto Rimini Red

Not obvious from the images above but it says “The Horspower / Torque Curve below was generated by the ProfessCars™ software, based on the factory data”. So not factory figures although possibly pretty close.

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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

Here's an interesting bit of extra information on the TD4.
In my TD4's built spec, it says Power Limited.
There's the excerpt.

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To me this suggests that the TD4 is mapped to limit power, whereas the SD4 is allowed to make as much as it can, within the safe confines of the drive train. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, my daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

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Paul4751



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United Kingdom 2012 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Alaska White

I've had both autos TD4 and currently a Sd4. Both have their pros and cons. I have completed 60K miles in the Sd4, 50% of which is touring throughout Europe along motorways and twisting mountain roads of the Alps and Pyrenees. The power and cruising is an absolute delight. I once towed a 1.85 tonne caravan from Holland to Costa Brava and could hardly feel it!
Generally they have been as reliable as each other but different things have "gone" at different mileages so difficult to say which is the more reliable. Coincidentally I have recently carried out a long term cost analysis on Freelander 2 ownership over 8 years for the two models combined and for servicing, repairs, tyres, MOTs, etc. they have cost £1,030/yr for 80k miles or 10p/m.
Strangely, when I had the TD4 I never felt that is was underpowered and was in fact equally impressed with its agility and cruising.
The big notably difference is the Sd4 is if anything TOO agile and makes for difficult smooth driving at low speeds or in traffic jams. The gearbox is continually chopping from 1st to 2nd and the slightest dabble on the throttle causes a drop from 2nd to first with a slight kick. To overcome this I select manual and drive around town starting off in 2nd gear; you only need to manually go upwards as even in manual the box will still drop downwards automatically BUT never into 1st; which makes for much smoother driving.

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GundogSD4



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England 2015 Freelander 2 SD4 Metropolis LE Auto Santorini Black

My SD4 does not suffer the same problems you mention regarding slow speed driving, have you had the gearbox and diff ECU updates carried out ? And have you had the ATF drained and replaced ?

It would be interesting to know if any other SD4 owners have had this problem ?

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Bobupndown



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey

Mine doesn't do that. Perfectly content to do its own thing in traffic. I use command shift if I'm towing and feel it needs an upshift when it had on to lower gears. Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
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IanMetro



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 Metropolis LE Auto Fuji White
Searching and Finishing Threads

I thought it worth bring this thread to the top of the heap, to show that Jules found the Power/Torque graphs several years ago on a similar discussion about SD4/TD4.

There is lots of information available on this forum if you use search, and choose a suitable subject.

In reality, the same problems/questions keep occurring and there is a wealth of answers and good advice available.

The only thing I ask is to improve the Forum's Database, is that OPs return to site and finish their original thread by posting What The Outcome Was (Good or Bad) FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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Trent63



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Russia 2013 Freelander 2 TD4 Dynamic Auto Fuji White

The factory TD4 power limit is removed in 5 minutes and any TD4 can be turned into SD4

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Arctic



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Orkney Grey

Quote:
Trent63
The factory TD4 power limit is removed in 5 minutes and any TD4 can be turned into SD4


Hi how is this possible please talk us through it.

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Grimdog



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United Kingdom 2010 Freelander 2 TD4_e HSE Manual Barolo Black

Trent63 wrote:
The factory TD4 power limit is removed in 5 minutes and any TD4 can be turned into SD4


I too would be very interested to hear how it's done. Thanks in anticipation.

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Trent63



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Russia 2013 Freelander 2 TD4 Dynamic Auto Fuji White

Arctic wrote:
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Trent63
The factory TD4 power limit is removed in 5 minutes and any TD4 can be turned into SD4


Hi how is this possible please talk us through it.

I have the ECU firmware from SD4. And there is even better. At 215 and 235 HP. To replace, you need any adapter with the j2534 protocol. I can change the ECU configuration remotely. And instead of low power there will be 190 (sd4) or 215 or 235 HP.

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Trent63



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Russia 2013 Freelander 2 TD4 Dynamic Auto Fuji White

Grimdog wrote:
Trent63 wrote:
The factory TD4 power limit is removed in 5 minutes and any TD4 can be turned into SD4


I too would be very interested to hear how it's done. Thanks in anticipation.

answered above

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Grimdog



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United Kingdom 2010 Freelander 2 TD4_e HSE Manual Barolo Black

Clever stuff !, Not too sure the manual gearbox would handle that power increase. Isn't that why the SD4's were all auto? The drivetrain is the weak link on our cars, all components are either poor design or poorly maintained (JLR service schedule). I also seen to think that the turbo is different in the SD4. Have you had any drive train issues after the power upgrade? I don't think my old girl could handle it lol.

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Trent63



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Russia 2013 Freelander 2 TD4 Dynamic Auto Fuji White

there are no problems (I have 235/490 stitched ) The TD and SD engines have absolutely no differences.
The manual transmission keeps the power 235/490 calm

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Grimdog



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United Kingdom 2010 Freelander 2 TD4_e HSE Manual Barolo Black

I am no expert, but I remember reading that the manual gearbox was rated at 400, with a recommendation not to exceed 350. I believe that the mapping on the manual TD4 actually reduces power in the lower ( first & second?) gears. It's a while since I read it though, so my memory may be playing tricks with me.
I hope you continue to enjoy your car, and that it holds all that power together. Thanks for your explanation of how it's done, 👍

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IanMetro



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 Metropolis LE Auto Fuji White

I tried looking for the reason why the SD4 came with autobox only.

I too thought it was to do with a torque limit, but the graphs shown in Jules post both appear to have the same peak torque.

This is the original press release (no mention of why difference)

https://media.landrover.com/news/2010/08/l...eelander-2

However we should consider the complete system, and the mapping may limit the torque in the lower gears (where the maximum torque multiplication is carried out), so the graphs may not apply in all gears.

A good remap should limit torque to the components strength.


quote="jules"]Found them . You can see the difference in the torque curves.

TD4





SD4

[/quote] FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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