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dorsetfreelander



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New hybrid DS and Evoques announced

LR have started advertising the Hybrid DS and Evoques. 1.5 litre petrol hybrids. I am not sure of the benefit as the sale of hybrids will have to stop in 12 years anyway and is going to start hitting residuals in the same way as conventional ICEs. However, one interesting feature is that the rear wheels are driven by an electric motor so no more Haldex and rear diff bearing issues.


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Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

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And just like the Volvo XC90 Twin Engine, it becomes just a FWD car as soon as the battery discharges...

“New plug-in hybrid Discovery Sport boasts 40 miles of electric range and up to 175mpg economy”

Yeah, right! Rolling with laughter

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Tigger wrote:
“New plug-in hybrid Discovery Sport boasts 40 miles of electric range and up to 175mpg economy”

Yeah, right! Rolling with laughter

So in other words 21.875mpp (miles per pint)! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Re: New hybrid DS and Evoques announced

dorsetfreelander wrote:
LR have started advertising the Hybrid DS and Evoques. 1.5 litre petrol hybrids. I am not sure of the benefit as the sale of hybrids will have to stop in 12 years anyway and is going to start hitting residuals in the same way as conventional ICEs.


I would guess these will be aimed at the company car market, as a hybrid will have lower BIK tax to the user that
does not want to go full electric.

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I guess 12 years is a long time not to have a hybrid model when so many manufacturers are doing it already. JLR seem to be very behind the curve when it comes to any form of electrification or any other form of of technology such as fuel cell.

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It’s been ahead of the curve for some time with the iPace.

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OK Land Rover has been behind the curve

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Tigger wrote:
And just like the Volvo XC90 Twin Engine, it becomes just a FWD car as soon as the battery discharges...


! Rolling with laughter


No, it doesn’t......LR announced even when the battery is depleted the Hybrid technology will still allow the rear wheels to drive, because it is a LR and 4WD is their bread and butter.....well not in so many words Wink

“ – but the PHEV tech will ensure that electric power is available for the back axle, even when the charge level is at zero per cent. “It has to do that, because it needs to have the capacity to be four-wheel drive at any time,” Carey explained” Regards

David

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richardk wrote:
OK Land Rover has been behind the curve


I disagree.

There is still a big market for hybrid vehicles for business users,
and that is the gap that JLR are hoping to cash in on.

Pure electric is still a few years away until it has enough range for business use.
The public charging network is nowhere near good enough.

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Guess we'll have to agree to have different opinions. I was thinking back to 2013 when the Outlander PHEV was launched.

Good that LR finally have made progress. Hope they sell plenty.

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I still think that the aswer to electric vehicles is a standard battery pack that can be removed and replaced with a charged pack, though it would need some form of lease contract or a cost higher than just a normal charge. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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richardk wrote:
OK Land Rover has been behind the curve


With their 2014 V6 hybrid Range Rover with BOTH electric miles of drive Very Happy

Its actually a really nice car to drive. Even if the one I always ended up with was baby blue in colour.

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Do we know who makes this engine?

This combination of 3 cylinder turbo plus electric driven axle is very similar to BMW's i8, Mini, etc.

JLR announced engine/chassis collaboration some time ago.

The MINI Cooper S E Countryman ALL4 PHEV has a 1.5-litre, 3-cylinder petrol engine together with an electric motor powered by a battery, all channelled through a 6-speed automatic gearbox. This combination may not sound as though it’s going to deliver much performance, but it seems to do a good job in the BMW i8. The same applies to the all-wheel drive system: in the MINI, the petrol engine powers the front wheels, and the electric motor powers the rear wheels – which is the same principle as in the i8, but the other way round.

https://www.greencarguide.co.uk/car-review...all4-phev/

The BMW i8 Concept plug-in hybrid electric vehicle includes an electric motor located in the front axle powering the front wheels rated 96 kW (131 PS; 129 hp) and 250 N⋅m (184 lb⋅ft), a turbocharged 1.5-liter 3-cylinder gasoline engine driving rear wheels rated 164 kW (223 PS; 220 hp) and 300 N⋅m (221 lb⋅ft) of torque, with combined output of 260 kW (354 PS; 349 hp) and 550 N⋅m (406 lb⋅ft), a 7.2 kWh (26 MJ) lithium-ion battery pack that allows an all-electric range of 35 km (22 mi). All four wheels provide regenerative braking

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Tigger wrote:
And just like the Volvo XC90 Twin Engine, it becomes just a FWD car as soon as the battery discharges...



PHEV cars normal reserve/replace some battery power to cope with acceleration and inclines.

If you read PHEV Forums you will see that they advise saving/charging some extra battery energy to help you get up long hills easily, especially if towing. If you do run out of battery charge uphill you will be limited to the amount of power that the engine can provide, in LR's case this doesn't look too bad, although it may be a bit noisy as it revs.
Also I don't believe it is true LR 4 wheel drive as each axle has it's own torque limitation, and all the available power cannot be sent to one axle or even wheel. This could matter in extreme towing conditions, like pulling a boat up a slippery, uneven, slipway. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

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