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DavPin212



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Diesel fuel additive

I have been reading on a few places that it might be better to add a fuel additive to you tank on fill up, this is more prevalent when it comes to a higher millage tank, well so I've been reading.

Since this is my first LR and its sitting on 155k is it worth adding something like redex to my refills as more of a help / prevention of things like fuel lines clogging up as I mainly drive short journeys of between 5 - 10 miles and once a week a longer one of about 100 miles.

I have been reading the extensive forum and noticed that some do and some don't add but also that some just use the higher octane fuel from shell or Esso etc.

I will be using just normal supermarket fuel for my LR as its never done me any harm and I never let my tank get below 1/4 tank so can't drag up the crap that can sometimes gather.

Any thought or experience on this as i'm interested to know other peoples thoughts. Very Happy

Dave

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jules



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A dose of injector cleaner probably wouldn't do it any harm and may even improve things slightly. I wouldnt bother with a regular fuel additive, just proper servicing. Jules

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Worms



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You are unlikely to get a clear consensus on that question here! Smile

Like you, I am yet to be convinced that there is any real difference between supermarket and branded diesel - at least not for us in the north, as it all seems to come in on the same boat and through the same tanks in Inverness.

For what it’s worth, I am in the two-stroke-oil-as-additive camp. It perhaps doesn’t achieve any real benefit, but it made the engine sound less like a tractor, so I am on board! 2005 D3 2.7 Auto
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All the fuel brands will possibly come from the same refineries through swap outs . The additive packs per brand will be different , they can be added at the point a tanker is loaded . 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

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My experience of additives is also mixed.....I ran my Freelander to 60000 miles using 2 stroke oil and it didn't miss a beat. Periodically, I'd chuck some Millers Eco Max Diesel through just to give it a rinse, but the vehicle was faultless throughout my 7 years with it.

These additives appear to be no more than kerosene, some knock them, others wax lyrical about them, but all I can say is it didn't do mine any harm over many years.

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DavPin212



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thats 2 for 2 stroke, what ratio do you use or another noob way to put it how do you go about adding it to the fuel so it is done right? Dave

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Down under it comes out of a green hose on one side & a red hose out of the other side of the tanker!

But you will have a different class of diesel for winter. Whereas petrol doesn't have winter issues. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Sperly



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DavPin212 wrote:
thats 2 for 2 stroke, what ratio do you use or another noob way to put it how do you go about adding it to the fuel so it is done right?


275ml per full tankful. I used to run the tank to a range of 6 miles to empty, stick the 2 stroke in, then brim the tank, approx 64 litres of memory serves me correct

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Similarly, I split a litre bottle of 2SO into four small bottles, run the tank down to the last 30 to 60 miles and just pour the bottle in before filling, while the credit card is clearing on the pump. I keep the small bottles in the right rear passenger door pocket , so it is right there when filling the tank. 2005 D3 2.7 Auto
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I am yet to be convinced that any (after sales) fuel additive will make much difference to the life or efficiency of an engine.

However I am a great believer in regular servicing (especially oil, grade, and changes) and keeping up with minor maintenance and repairs/adjustments between this servicing. As well as picking up muck and debris as it circulates the engine, its viscosity suffers as it is 'bashed around' by the engine, therefore I do wonder about the ever increasing periods recommended between oil changes these days.

I have also tended to run on the cheapest fuel I can find locally, and (although it doesn't apply these days so much) I avoid smaller, quieter, garages with a smaller turn over, as the fuel may have been in the tanks longer.

In nearly 60 years and 100s of thousands of miles driving, I have only had one engine failure, and two blown head gaskets.
I doubt that lack of additives, or fuel grade, caused either;
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Sperly wrote:
DavPin212 wrote:
thats 2 for 2 stroke, what ratio do you use or another noob way to put it how do you go about adding it to the fuel so it is done right?


275ml per full tankful. I used to run the tank to a range of 6 miles to empty, stick the 2 stroke in, then brim the tank, approx 64 litres of memory serves me correct


I often wonder whether it mixes well in the Freelander as it has a saddle type fuel tank. Perhaps just treat it to a tank of special brew fuel every now and then, that’s what I do on my Evoque. Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
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IanMetro wrote:
I am yet to be convinced that any (after sales) fuel additive will make much difference to the life or efficiency of an engine.

I have also tended to run on the cheapest fuel I can find locally, and (although it doesn't apply these days so much) I avoid smaller, quieter, garages with a smaller turn over, as the fuel may have been in the tanks longer.
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I worked at the largest vehicle Research and Engineering Centre in the U.K. we had hundreds of engine dynos and test beds and the fuel we used for everything except legislative sign offs was the cheapest we could buy in Europe, tankered in every few weeks from where ever it happened to be, there were buyers who’s sole job was to source the cheapest fuel. Engines ran for thousands of hours at extremes of endurance on this fuel.

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Used Millers and Redex occasionally and not noticed any difference at all. My car usually runs on Tesco diesel with the odd premium drink if I need fuel when not near a Tesco branch. Again no difference noticed in performance, economy or noise.
As previous posts, regular servicing, quality engine oil and regular fuel filter changes keep it running nicely Thumbs Up Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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Boxbrownie wrote:
IanMetro wrote:
I am yet to be convinced that any (after sales) fuel additive will make much difference to the life or efficiency of an engine.

I have also tended to run on the cheapest fuel I can find locally, and (although it doesn't apply these days so much) I avoid smaller, quieter, garages with a smaller turn over, as the fuel may have been in the tanks longer.
.


I worked at the largest vehicle Research and Engineering Centre in the U.K. we had hundreds of engine dynos and test beds and the fuel we used for everything except legislative sign offs was the cheapest we could buy in Europe, tankered in every few weeks from where ever it happened to be, there were buyers who’s sole job was to source the cheapest fuel. Engines ran for thousands of hours at extremes of endurance on this fuel.

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Agree with this, I don't know of any supermarkets refining their own fuel lol. locally we have a fuel supply dump and all the tankers from all the local petrol stations go for supplies. They connect to the same outlets whether they are Tesco, Sainsburys, BP, Shell the lot all comes from the same pipe.

As far as fuel additives are concerned I think it's all hokkie, morden fuels are so well refined with all the additives you need, years ago we use to decoke our engines but now it never happens. whenever I strip an engine down they are usually clean as a whistle.


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Another one for 2 stoke. Worth it for just making engine quieter.

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