Hello all, first post.

We've just put a deposit on a new XS TD4, part ex'ing our 06 previous model.

Just doing a few searches and only now learnt about the TD4.e across the board update coming out soon...

Any reasons really to worry that our new Freelander is suddenly going to be superceeded? We've had a reasonable deal, XS with XS style pack down to mid £22K - are the current deals on Freelanders because of the TD4.e coming out soon?

Is the .e anything to really put a buy on hold for?

Cheers!

better MPG
lower emissions
& a extra button to turn if off, all for the same price

Possible if its a factory order you might be getting the e version already Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

I guess holding on for a .e depends on the main type of driving that you do. For example if mainly urban, wait for the .e, if motorway/A-roads don't bother waiting.

The great unknown is the impact on future residuals for .e vs non-.e...

But if you want your Freelander now and you're spending 22k on a car, I would doubt that one band of road tax will massivley impact your purchase decision though.

If it were me making the call, I'd wait!

One thing you could do is ask the dealer what model year the car is ordered as. If 2009, its not a .e

The .e version is the stop/start engine system, which stops the engine when you stop, and starts it again when you press the clutch pedal.

I don't think it's an update, more like a new engine/gearbox to choose from, i.e. TD4 Manual, TD4 Automatic & TD4 Manual with stop/start.

Unless you really need the lower tax, or better fuel consumption round town, I wouldn't bother

Also, if you have an Auto, you can't have stop start anyway

Rich

It's meant to be a standard across the board update to all TD4's. Same engine, just an update to the software with hardware updates behind the scens including a hardier starter motor to cope with the extra stress, battery monitor stuff etc. (i.e. if you turn the air con on or pull too much electric whilst it's stopped it will automatically start again to power it, same with break vacuum pressure etc.) Also has a new dash informant in that it advises you which gear to be in according to current revs etc.

Doesn't impact tax band as far as I can see since the feature can be disabled and it's only an approximate saving and approximate reduction in emissions since it depends on the driving situation.

Not really sure I'd like the idea anyway, it basically just cuts the engine the same as if you'd pressed the start/stop yourself and then starts it again in the same way. I.e. you come to a halt at a traffic light, if you put it into neutral and apply the handbrake it stops the engine, when you release the brake and release the clutch on the gear it starts it again but you'll have that quarter/half second of the starter motor kicking in and engine turning over which will probably lead most people just to switch it off.

If you've just done a deposit on a NEW FL2, and if it's a manual shift, it will automatically be a TD4_e anyway. And just so you'd know, it 'll be MY 2010 already. so you timing is ideal.

Think you will have to specify it. I spoke to my dealer today and they advised that they will start building/making the TD4_e this month to be ready for May/June. If you have ordered an FL2 you will have to wait until then or take a current stock model.

I was also advised that the equipment levels are being changed and that the SE will no longer be available. Prices will change to reflect this (more expensive).

Ours is/was sitting down in Portsmouth waiting for a transport to bring it up to us so assume it's pre-.e

I figured that the latest round of reductions - we saved around £4000 of the list price of an XS with XS style pack - were perhaps to shift the existing models before the .e comes in.

Not too bothered about not having it and if they do bump prices up/spec change or at least offer lower dealer reductions to cover this then even less bothered since we wanted at least an XS spec. If that equivalent is potentially going to cost even more because of the .e upgrade then glad we got the order in now.

I think it's something that most FL2 owners would more than likely turn off anyway, who want's to have to wait a few fractions of a second for the car to restart before you can pull off from a set of lights when there is someone behind you riding their clutch, even more so for a hill start.

First of all, the engine does not turn off everytime you stop. Your car must be in neutral and the clutch released so If you keep your car in gear it wont shut off.

Secondly I negotiated my car beginning of january when there was actually no talk at the dealers of a TD4_e. When finished I had started discussing the e-version and after he rang the importer to awknoledge there's no price change I ordered my car with in the contract the mention it must be an e-version with no extra cost added.

I got close over 14% reduction of the list price. When I last went to my dealer he told me the car was ordered for delivery in Belgium on the 20th of April and it would also be model 2010.

I think the way the compensate for the change of spec is to simply give it a longer productionspan. The reason I got a TD4_e when ordering in januari means to me that LR as well as the importer have hardly any cars in stock and is working a pull market as it should be.

The main reason why the car industry is in trouble is becouse of the whole push market which means they built unordered cars and I think it's becouse of the FL2's success it does not have that trouble.

At the end of the year they were saying the e-version would be starting to get built around november and at the end of the day they pushed it to march. That should say somthing!

When I was investigating the purchase of my car they looked over the stock at the importers to see what was still parked. I wanted a black one with a light coloured interior. They had exactly one which was sold a few hours earlier!

Though undoubtly they feel the pressure of the economic turmoil I don't really think they have it as bad as most common brands.

Maybe you know this, but belgium is the transit harbor for foreign cars to the rest of europe an today they have the biggest carpark in the world where some 175 000 cars are waiting for a buyer! For instance a shipment of cars for Japan takes 8 weeks to get here plus some time to get them to the dealers. That means for a Japanese manufaturer it takes him at least 10 weeks before any changes he makes take effect in our country. In these fast changing times that, to my opinion is deadly.

Through the whole feedback I got from LR when they are building the FL2 I don't think they make too many unsold cars. When the 100 000th FL2 was produced they already knew who bought it when it was finished building.

Just to say "I don't think they have to promote anything to bump prices other then there outdated, pre-FORD so called bad-wrap BMW has sadled them up with."

If you're buying a manual got TD4-e if you can. I think it will hold better resale value as only awareness for the environment will get higher. Wether this awareness is founded on truth is an entirely differnent discussion tough.

An info link 175,000 not-sold cars waiting in Zeebrugge

zone30 wrote:

First of all, the engine does not turn off everytime you stop. Your car must be in neutral and the clutch released so If you keep your car in gear it wont shut off.

Secondly I negotiated my car beginning of january when there was actually no talk at the dealers of a TD4_e. When finished I had started discussing the e-version and after he rang the importer to awknoledge there's no price change I ordered my car with in the contract the mention it must be an e-version with no extra cost added.

I got close over 14% reduction of the list price. When I last went to my dealer he told me the car was ordered for delivery in Belgium on the 20th of April and it would also be model 2010.

I think the way the compensate for the change of spec is to simply give it a longer productionspan. The reason I got a TD4_e when ordering in januari means to me that LR as well as the importer have hardly any cars in stock and is working a pull market as it should be.

The main reason why the car industry is in trouble is becouse of the whole push market which means they built unordered cars and I think it's becouse of the FL2's success it does not have that trouble.

At the end of the year they were saying the e-version would be starting to get built around november and at the end of the day they pushed it to march. That should say somthing!

When I was investigating the purchase of my car they looked over the stock at the importers to see what was still parked. I wanted a black one with a light coloured interior. They had exactly one which was sold a few hours earlier!

Though undoubtly they feel the pressure of the economic turmoil I don't really think they have it as bad as most common brands.

Maybe you know this, but belgium is the transit harbor for foreign cars to the rest of europe an today they have the biggest carpark in the world where some 175 000 cars are waiting for a buyer! For instance a shipment of cars for Japan takes 8 weeks to get here plus some time to get them to the dealers. That means for a Japanese manufaturer it takes him at least 10 weeks before any changes he makes take effect in our country. In these fast changing times that, to my opinion is deadly.

Through the whole feedback I got from LR when they are building the FL2 I don't think they make too many unsold cars. When the 100 000th FL2 was produced they already knew who bought it when it was finished building.

Just to say "I don't think they have to promote anything to bump prices other then there outdated, pre-FORD so called bad-wrap BMW has sadled them up with."

If you're buying a manual got TD4-e if you can. I think it will hold better resale value as only awareness for the environment will get higher. Wether this awareness is founded on truth is an entirely differnent discussion tough.

The range is different here in Belgium We have an E S SE HSE that's it. The importer created an SX-version which is an S with some extra features, but that seems no longer available, as well as the special price (€34K fo a €38K car).

That genarally means I wil be having one of the few TD4_e SX's in Belgium

They had that version for only about 1 year and I got my dealer to make sure I got an e-version at no extra cost. I further got the dealer to give me an additional 6% discount + at the end I pushed him for another 1K which partly succeeded. Got anther €500 of plus 2 free LR experince days insted of one. Those cost apparently €380 but since it's a company car I get 30% returned anyway. So since I was gonna get the second LR experience for my wife anyway, which I cannot put in my tax-return it amounts to the same deal.

I also let them put in my contract they had to wait for it to be a TD4_e which has been confirmed.

At the end, with all my extra options and considering the list price I got a 12.5% reduction (not the 14% I stated before - misscalc in memory).

When I passed my dealers a month later to make some minor adjustments (added Xenon) he had already order the car 2 weeks earlier and it was no problem to do the change since it's not yet being built. I think that means that - one - LR have no more cars in stock and - two - LR have enough cars on order not to be able to immediately start producing.

My dealer was also pleasently surprised it 'll be MY 2010


PS no personal attack intended. After re reading it it felt kinda harsh. Sorry about that. Just hateing the fact I still have to wait so long to get my car...

Had my first drive in the new TD4.e on friday

This car comes into it's own around town. 47mpg

The TD4.e will be re-classed for company car drivers, and has been stated above, the SE and HST will be dropped. The GS will get bluetooth phone prep

Nice one HBF

Whats it like on the restarts, noise cranking over loud or quiet and quick

are they doing this in a auto?? can't remember  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Re-start was very quick

No plans for the auto yet