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IanMetro

Member Since: 11 Sep 2017
Location: Somerset BS21
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2014 Freelander 2 SD4 Metropolis LE Auto Fuji White

Is this chassis what we will driving after Peugeot take over

https://www.vauxhall.co.uk/cars/grandland-x/hybrid4.html

This is built on the same (PHEV) chassis as the Peugeot 3008 Hybrid4.

A recent article that I read was speculating that the reason that TATA is looking for a partner (in Peugeot) is that it wants access to their smaller chassis to enable them to have some reasonably priced entry level cars.

It seems TATA have spent a fortune in developing the present round of (luxury) cars. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

4th Jun 2019 7:52 pm

Boxbrownie

Member Since: 17 Mar 2019
Location: Looe
Posts: 2053

2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Well I hope their engineers are more on the ball than their PR department, scroll down that promotion and it states that fully electric vehicles are exempt from road tax, cheaper to maintain and cheaper to run......problem is the vehicle being promoted is NOT fully electric!

Dumb arses, either that or they are basically trying to lure buyers in by deception, same old same old then? Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

5th Jun 2019 7:07 am

pab

Member Since: 28 Aug 2012
Location: Now in Mid-Wales
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2009 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Lago Grey

Re: Is this chassis what we will driving after Peugeot take

IanMetro wrote:

A recent article that I read was speculating that the reason that TATA is looking for a partner (in Peugeot)...

It appears that article got at least the partner wrong. From today's Telegraph:

Quote:
Jaguar Land Rover is joining forces with BMW to boost the development of electric vehicles, becoming the latest car makers to team up in a bid to save money and .

Yes, the paragraph really does end after the 'and'.

5th Jun 2019 8:15 am

SouthamFL2

Member Since: 08 Jan 2019
Location: Banbury Borders
Posts: 432

2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Lux Auto Baltic Blue

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - BMW on Wednesday said it will develop its next-generation electric motors, transmission and power electronics with Jaguar Land Rover, unveiling yet another industry alliance designed to lower the costs of developing electric cars.

“Together, we have the opportunity to cater more effectively for customer needs by shortening development time and bringing vehicles and state-of-the-art technologies more rapidly to market,” Klaus Froehlich, BMW board member said.

BMW and Jaguar Land Rover said they will save costs through shared development, production planning and joint purchasing.

Both companies will produce electric drivetrains in their own manufacturing facilities, BMW said.

Nick Rogers, Jaguar Land Rover’s engineering director said, “We’ve proven we can build world beating electric cars but now we need to scale the technology to support the next generation of Jaguar and Land Rover products.”

Reuters.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industr...d-vehicles MY13 HSE Lux.......faultless since new.

5th Jun 2019 8:24 am

dorsetfreelander

Member Since: 20 Jul 2013
Location: Dorset
Posts: 4354

2014 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Loire Blue

Re: Is this chassis what we will driving after Peugeot take

[quote="pab"]

IanMetro wrote:

Yes, the paragraph really does end after the 'and'.

Is this like the old story of a guy painting a pub sign and the owner comes out and says "there is too much space between George and and and and and and Dragon " ? 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

5th Jun 2019 8:30 am

IanMetro

Member Since: 11 Sep 2017
Location: Somerset BS21
Posts: 3150

SouthamFL2 wrote:
FRANKFURT (Reuters) - BMW on Wednesday said it will develop its next-generation electric motors, transmission and power electronics with Jaguar Land Rover, unveiling yet another industry alliance designed to lower the costs of developing electric cars.

“Together, we have the opportunity to cater more effectively for customer needs by shortening development time and bringing vehicles and state-of-the-art technologies more rapidly to market,” Klaus Froehlich, BMW board member said.

BMW and Jaguar Land Rover said they will save costs through shared development, production planning and joint purchasing.

Both companies will produce electric drivetrains in their own manufacturing facilities, BMW said.

Nick Rogers, Jaguar Land Rover’s engineering director said, “We’ve proven we can build world beating electric cars but now we need to scale the technology to support the next generation of Jaguar and Land Rover products.”

Reuters.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industr...d-vehicles

This is better news. Land Rover seemed to shine last time BMW owned them, and BMW have quite a developed small electric/PHEV chassis already for an entry level Land Rover. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

5th Jun 2019 10:50 am

Bobupndown

Member Since: 26 Dec 2014
Location: Upside down behind the TV!
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2014 Freelander 2 SD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey

The Td5 was the happy result of the last collaboration. Maybe they should just build them again? Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

5th Jun 2019 1:09 pm

Dave47

Member Since: 31 Aug 2014
Location: Margate Kent
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2008 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Auto Izmir Blue

TD5 original Land Rover design, from their Storm project,
serviced correctly probably their best engine.
Dave DAVE.

5th Jun 2019 5:44 pm

jules

Member Since: 13 Dec 2007
Location: The Wilds of Warwickshire
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2014 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Firenze Red

Yes. I believe there was to be a 6 cylinder Storm too. But it was never put into production.

BMW took over during the life time of the TD5. One the first things BMW did was to remove the centre differential locking capability (the locking diff was never itself removed IIRC) because it thought its usual customer base incapable of operating such a complex piece of equipment (ie the manual synchronisation of speed, gear lever, clutch and diff lock lever). Hi/Lo ratios remained active through the same lever. It was only following customer pressure that the lock mechanism was reinstated.

There were aftermarket kits which allowed the lever to be re-connected to the locking mechanism. Jules

5th Jun 2019 10:31 pm

Dave47

Member Since: 31 Aug 2014
Location: Margate Kent
Posts: 1333

The internals were removed, can't recall which year though,
I had to buy a 2nd hand box with internals and luckily acquired the genuine linkage,
to honest I didn't get to use it much as the TC work very well, admittedly with a lot of noise from the ABS.
Dave DAVE.

6th Jun 2019 7:58 am

Bobupndown

Member Since: 26 Dec 2014
Location: Upside down behind the TV!
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Nothing like the warble of a 5 cylinder engine, especially with the cat and centre silencer removed! Miss my Disco. Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

6th Jun 2019 8:14 am

Deafender

Member Since: 09 Mar 2019
Location: Buckingham
Posts: 98

2009 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver

Quote:
Maybe they should just build them again

Yep... I reckon they would still sell really well. I have wondered if JLR would ever sell the tooling to someone else to re-launch it... I'd like to do that for the Rover SD1 as well, though it would need better build quality, inside especially... which the Discos did not suffer.

I had two TD5 autos over seven years.. very good to drive, and a nicer shape to look at than the latest stufff.

Some said the Disco TD5 was a bit under-powered, but serving as a big, seven seat motorway cruiser it was roomy, comfortable, quiet and relatively economical. My second Disco went 133K miles and never logged a fault, averaged well over 35K miles on its tyres and delivered us an excellent trade in price as well... for me, that marks it as a really good car! Lexus RX450H - 500 mile a week commuter- I just couldn’t trust in a newer RRS or DS for that….
2009 Freelander 2 HSE... 155K miles, we’ve done 135k of those, has done brilliantly on the commute and staying firmly put as car two in the household
2002 Jaguar XK8 Coupe... fun, fast, ours for 12 years and owes us nothing - so staying with us too…

6th Jun 2019 11:15 am

IanMetro

Member Since: 11 Sep 2017
Location: Somerset BS21
Posts: 3150

Perhaps to correct my first statement ---- is this the chassis we all will be using?

BMW GEN5 Drivesystem

https://insideevs.com/news/341804/bmw-5th-...y-compact/ FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 77k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

6th Jun 2019 4:59 pm

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