Thanks Steven. How large of a wheel spacers are you thinking about? I am about to add 5mm spacers - before lift - to try things out. It seems that there's a 1 cm space left until the wheel stands outside the fenders. On this forum I read somewhere that if you go outside the fenders, you end up having a very dirty car every day (and I have a white one!). After the lift I would go to 245/70/R17 as often advised on this forum. With that additional 1/2 cm on both sides I would be at the 1cm. Having said that, the Muddy Muds folks have mounted 3 or 4 cm spacers looking at their FL2 pictures. But then the wheels are standing way outside the fenders. But may be that is good for the handling?

While we are at the topic of 'lifting': has anybody in this threat ever tried 245/75/R17 tyres? I guess this would only work after lifting the car. But it would add 3.1 cm in hight to the car. This would actually mean that you can lift the car less in order to achieve the total height gain you're after. I would never dare to do this as the size is so far off what's 'allowed' by LR. So would love to hear any experiences if they are there.

. . . or for that matter: 255/70/R17 - giving a 3.85 cm lift -.

Apart from all the normal potential rubbing issues with tyres this large you might want to check if there is actually enough clearance under the strut. It's another 18 mm increase in the radius compared​ to 255/60R18 I put on the car & there was not a lot of room left with this size. Plus a big drop in torque.

& You will not get a spare in the boot. Having a spare or two to me is more valuable. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Thanks Lightwater. So If I calculate right your ride is 2.6 cm higher than normal. Comparable to 245/75/R17 which equals to 3,1 cm increase in height. Indeed 1.8 cm less then 255/70/R17 (which is rather extreme, that's why I asked).

2 questions please:
- Why did you opt for 255 over 245 (or 235)? Does that give you an off-road advantage? How does that drive on-road? (to and back from the off-road track)
- What do you mean with a 'big drop in torque'? As in 'the bigger the tires, the less responsive the car is?'. I have the same Si4 Petrol Turbo as you have and I have no shortage of torque at 240 hp. Does that change dramatically with larger tires?

Thanks so much for your further answers. Cheers, Ray, from Amsterdam.

p.s. I have 17" rims for of-road and 18" rims for on-road. So all my tyre searches and calculations have been for 17". So I may be off with m calculation for your 18" rims. Cheers, Raymond.

p.s. Lightwater, have you lifted your car or is it stock?

I have not lifted the car. Could not be bothered. Prefer to keep the weight down while traveling which we are pretty good at even though it might appear we have a lot with all the equipment.

I frightens me the amount of stuff people pack into & as well on top, as well as behind their cars. Then tow something as well! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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235/60 R18 to 255/60 R18 is 739 mm to 762 mm diameter. So half of that is 11.5 mm increase in height. The main reason I went for a larger tyre is 18 inch rims should not be sold on cars being used in the outback, too little tyre side wall over corrugated roads. I wanted 17 inch but LR would not swap them!

LR have an obscene fetish with low profile tyres! Best way to kill tyres, rims, suspension, rest of the car & have a pointlessly uncomfortable ride..... even at 25 PSI. We stopped regularly to give ourselves & the car a break while traveling hundreds of km over corrugated roads.

255/60 R18 was one of the few sizes available. 265/60 775 mm dia & 265/65 803 mm dia (way too large) were the others. Using 255 width tyres I only had 4.4 mm clearance to the strut, on the side of the tyre.

& I was not going to spend even more money swapping to 17 inch rims. Cost a fortune down under with the cost of international freight.

We live in a Unit & there is only so much room & the garage is tight & only 5 metres long. Cars were a lot smaller when our building was built in the 1950s! It is also a battle to park in the street, 80 spaces too few for 200 metres of road. So not overly keen to keep a second set of rims. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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A question for all of you please. I have recently lifted my LR FL2 2013. I have done so with spacers from Muddy Mods. 40 mil. front and back. The installation was not trivial. It required extra-long brake hoses and adjusted stabilisers up-front. But it worked. The car's handling on-road is not much affected (I installed 20 mil. wheel spacers to of-set). The car's off-road handling is superior.
BUT, during our first off-road course, the front left drive shaft broke off the front differential/transfer box. My garage - Vis Land Rover, Nootdorp, The Netherlands - thinks that the angle of the drive shaft after the lift is too large to handle the forces when the front wheel(s) are off in the air, most certainly when also steering to the max.
On this forum topic I repeatedly read that at 20 to 25 mil. lift up front is the max possible. I guess I should have paid more attention to that advise. Is there anybody that can help me understand from experience what is possible with regards to lifting the LR FL2? I love my car and would like to continue off-roading with it to the max extend. But having to worry about a front drive shaft braking off may most certainly be a fun killer.
- Are there forum members that have lifted the car and have done serious off-roading since?
- If so; what is the lift hight up front that is working?
Thanks from Amsterdam,
Raymond.

Here's my LR FL2 - lifted.

20mm/25mm is the maximum lift to avoid body conflict. Spacers would increase stress as you have more leaverage. Larger tyres add to the problem. If off road I take it you are letting the tyres down to protect the car.

Road tyres & no lift but tyres let down to 25psi.

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Thanks for your response Lightwater.
- I have wheel spacers of 20mil at all wheels
- My tyre size off-road is 245/70/17
- The tyres when the drive shaft broke off where BFC KM2 (insanely heavy tyres)
How does letting air out of the tyres protect the car? I do this in sand (50%) ad mud (25%) for traction purposes. But on more regular soil I have not aired down while off-roading.
Thanks for letting me know.

Letting air out for corrugated & rough outback roads will allow the tyre to soak up more of the irregularities. It is far more comfortable for the passengers as well.

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Hi Raymond, have you resolved the issue with your lift kit? I am new to this site and have recently purchased the 40mm front and 50mm rear lift kit from Muddy Mods for my 09 Freelander 2 GS. The rear kit fitted fine but when I tried to fit the front kit, I found it impossible to get the lower arm ball joint back into the hub carrier. I finally gave up and put it back together without the kit. To me it looks like the only way to fit the kit at the front is to hire the Land Rover 204-619 G Clamp from somewhere but have not had any luck finding one. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Andrew