But when they kill someone when driving on "TRAINING " excercises, is that ok then?

Has anyone ever been injured or killed during High Speed Police Training?

As for the comment of the standard is higher than the public can perceive...................it's only policemen who can drive
to some mythical standard then?

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Mowog wrote:

Delboy wrote:

Perception and reality are two very different things. What you perceive as a jolly ride out was almost certainly nothing of the sort.
There are occasions when it’s not practical to use emergency response equipment but there is an urgent need to make progress.
It may also have been a training exercise, if it was, the training is fully sanctioned by the Home Office and police drivers are exempt from speed limits in the execution of their duty or as training requires. That said, they will always adhere to the safety speed limits (unless it would hinder their necessary urgent progress) and exceed only the national speed limit where safe to do so.
Highly trained police drivers do not go out for jolly drives at the expense of the safety of other road users. BMW 5 series would only be driven by the best trained officers.
Unless you are a police first class advanced driver, VIP security escort driver etc. etc. you are not qualified to comment on or judge their driving ability.
This is such an important issue that the law is currently under review for a change whereby police drivers will only be tried by their equivalently trained peers as Joe Public has no conception of how highly trained and expert police response drivers are.

............and when they kill a kid on a cycle your response will be???

You can't replicate real life in a test environment, that is why they have to take it to the open roads and they don't do that on day 1 of training either, so instead of becoming a read what has been said in a very concise manner  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

I am not becoming whatever word you chose.
I am making a valid point that dangerous driving ON A PUBLIC ROAD where an 11 yr old cyclist may make a bad decision at the same time as being approached by a BMW at 100 mph could end up in disaster.

Please don't assume that because someone has had training to a certain standard they are infallible.


Practice on a race track....end of.

And when a emergency vehicle is on its way to you, and they crash due to not having real life experience you'll have the same attitude, well you may for those final few breathes  Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Whatever

Mowog wrote:

I am not becoming whatever word you chose.
I am making a valid point that dangerous driving ON A PUBLIC ROAD where an 11 yr old cyclist may make a bad decision at the same time as being approached by a BMW at 100 mph could end up in disaster.

Please don't assume that because someone has had training to a certain standard they are infallible.


Practice on a race track....end of.

I thought the subject was Policemen driving dangerously on a public road?

Hmmm what's this super standard of driving then?

Driving too fast when immune to prosecution unless they kill someone.

I am sure the difference in response times is not worth killing a pedestrian.

Delboy wrote:

Unless you are a police first class advanced driver, VIP security escort driver etc. etc. you are not qualified to comment on or judge their driving ability.
...Joe Public has no conception of how highly trained and expert police response drivers are.

Mowog wrote:

I thought the subject was Policemen driving dangerously on a public road?

Hmmm what's this super standard of driving then?

Driving too fast when immune to prosecution unless they kill someone.

I am sure the difference in response times is not worth killing a pedestrian.

Unless you have driven at those speeds on the open road you are not in a position to judge, back in the 60's if you had a car to achieve those speeds you would realise it's not dangerous but ones attention to cars or any vehicles over a 1/4 mile ahead as to where they are and what they may do is paramount, i.e if there is a right turn 1/2 mile ahead they may turn into it so look out for brake lights, forget indicators many cars then still had trafficators and they could never been seen over 100ft away. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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I don't know if Mr Policeman could drive an artic down a snowy, icy mountain road or follow my mk2 escort through a forest stage?

But I am pretty sure I could drive his x5 :

Ps Lewis wasn't that fast on Sunday was he?

RogB wrote:

its already been mentioned but....

no amount of driving in a safe and private environment can equate to driving on public roads. The outside influences on the public highway (other drivers, road architecture, road surface, pedestrians, wildlife etc etc etc) can never be recreated in a private training environment.

without applying their previously learnt and approved skills in the public domain then how do you expect them to respond accordingly in a given situation.?

other examples included a simulated suicide bomber in a shopping complex, emergency first aid using real amputees as victims for training purposes is vital to recreate the situations that may be faced.

or the military training on selected areas using live ammunition instead of running round in a laser tag warehouse

without real world training then the Police (and many others) would no doubt fall at the first hurdle when they have to apply their 'safe and private' training for real.

so yes, those guys appeared to be driving like lunatics however they have already been trained qualified and assessed to a standard way higher than the general public can perceive and that training is very very necessary given the current crime and terrorism threat levels.


Rog,i take in fully the above ref the training,having spent 21 years in the rnli as a crewman and regardless of "shouts",we had to get afloat every 2 weeks or so,virtually regardless of conditions as a lot of exercises can only be completed while afloat,also a lot of the lifeboats systems need to be checked out "under pressure".and cant be done ashore.




p.s. it was meant to be a joke about the indicators being used on BMW's

Mowog wrote:

I don't know if Mr Policeman could drive an artic down a snowy, icy mountain road or follow my mk2 escort through a forest stage?

But I am pretty sure I could drive his x5 :

Ps Lewis wasn't that fast on Sunday was he?

Err no but he did have an overheating problem,not that you would get that driving an artic down a cold icy mountain road keeping it cooool  gone
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well fella,s,I did not post this item expecting it to get a bit heated,only to report what I saw or perceived what think I possibly think I saw or perceived I think I saw what I saw or not I think.
I have put the sim in my laptop,but did not realise it only has a std sim I will order one with a much bigger memory.i found about half of the recording I wanted but it was all over the place,the recording was a jumble of recordings up to 2 mins.
I had one bit where the beemer was passing me at a great rate of knots,another when I caught the last 3 of them up in traffic.
And the last was where they went off a roundabout away from me.no signals from any of them as far as I can see,but that's not illegal.
A friend has a daughter in road traffic div,I will ask her if this is normal as confirmation. gone
P38 v8 auto no problems,great howle from exhausts when giving it welly
Td5 auto head gasket,no5 pot not uncommon but good car.
1st Tdv6s manual epb problem fixed under warranty(stealer said"never heard of this before,i suggested he looked at d3 forum.
2nd Tdv6 se auto epb
3rd Tdv6 xs auto 2008,swmbo,s favourite.

My next door neighbour has been having a great time watching this thread.

He retired last year after years and years and years................Traffic Sergeant, Cheshire Police.