Dorset, these DS's are plummeting in price, or is it because its red ??

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Honest John wasn't very complimentary about the DS in this weekend's Telegraph - apparantly lots of problems with DPF and regeneration. MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

MY 15 SD4 SE Auto Orkney Grey with colour coded Bumper Door Mouldings

dorsetfreelander wrote:

A purely hypothetical question. I had a bad dream last night that I was looking for a DS. However if for some reason I wanted to buy a DS and was researching the possibility I would want one with a proper spare wheel. Now I understand that this is a decision to be made when the car is built so is there any easy way of finding out if a used DS has the spare wheel well short of seeing the vehicle in the flesh. I suspect that the proportion will be quite small.

tenet wrote:

Honest John wasn't very complimentary about the DS in this weekend's Telegraph - apparantly lots of problems with DPF and regeneration.

Honest john is obviously very lazy. A grumpy type on the DS forum fed honest John a load of BS and he repeats it vebatim.
any attempts to correct this on the forum is met with a stop from the mod. 'It doesnt
need to be true aslong as it annoys LR'


Ablu use is high and the oil gets diluted during regens. But no Dpf problems for me.partly because the car has a scrf not a dpf, honest john looks a bit silly now. At work
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dorsetfreelander wrote:

Anyone who has been on a marketing course knows that you always launch your top end products first so as to profit from the "early adopters" , you then work your way down the feature/price range as people aspire to owning one but can't quite afford the top end version.
The second thing is that you decide what your target customer base is. Originally it was farmers and the army then the "lifestyle" market appeared which is much bigger. It is clear to me that the LR market is now all about aspiration and lifestyle, after all how many actually go off road?

Had a look on Broadspeed.com and they are discounting by circa 15% across the diesel model range. Sign of the times post LR laying off 1000 contract workers due to falling sales. MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

MY 15 SD4 SE Auto Orkney Grey with colour coded Bumper Door Mouldings

chicken george wrote:

Honest john is obviously very lazy. ...
But no Dpf problems for me.partly because the car has a scrf not a dpf, honest john looks a bit silly now.

Interesting document. I’ve read it through but have I understood it correctly?

A note has now been added to the vehicle handbook and marketing literature to the effect that additional oil services may apply depending on driving patterns?

If the customer bought the vehicle before that note was added they can get free oil changes up to 50,000 miles. If the car was bought after that note was added the customer has to pay for additional oil services.

So there has been no effective modification to eliminate the root cause of the oil dilution problem? They have just shunted the responsibility onto customers while providing free oil services up to 50,000 for those customers where they cannot point to wording saying additional servicing may be required.

If that’s an accurate summary then I’d think that Honest John was right to say what he did. I can see why some owners are going to be up in arms …. especially after they exceed 50,000 miles!

100%v scrf not dpf. Scrf is a particulate filter but not a dpf as such. The only person who states scrf is too far from engine is a forum member with no facts behind him.

Dpf need lots of heat scrf needs less. Knfact too much heat will damage an scrf At work
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My 3.0 D5 had this issue but never really bothered me.

My 2.0 D240 Velar doesn’t seem to suffer from it. Neither does the 2.0 D5 that I’m aware off. 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

The JLR document states that the frequency of and duration of a regeneration cycle is longer on certain models including DS. It goes on to say that this may result in fuel in oil dilution and when 6.1% dilution is reached the service required message will be triggered. Continued vehicle operation with high oil dilution will result in engine failure.

So, whatever the root cause, JLR themselves acknowledge there is a potential problem under certain usage condition with 16>17 model year vehicles that seemingly did not affect previous models. According to a poll on the DS forum 43% of customers (151 data points) needed the first service before 8,399 miles.

Does anyone know whether changes have been made to 2018 model year vehicles? If so knowing what has changed will tell us what the real cause was?

It looks like it's the documentation that has changed - now they admit that intermediate oil changes may be necessary.

Mines a 2017 and due it's first service in a few weeks, the local dealer has admitted that there are "a couple" of outstanding software changes - wonder if one is oil dilution related?

Answer this one, OK the oil is thin and needs changing - why change the filter? - it's just there to catch solids.
Granted on the DS it's a piece of cake compared to the knuckle shredding that goes on with the FL2 Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Second oil change is taking a lot longer to come around, (estimating around 15000) maybe software has improved things a bit. adblue usage seems down a bit too. 5000+ mile on one tank.
never noticed a regen happening whilst driving or had any concerns about them

I did a non scientific oil inspection yesterday, drips off the dipstick like oil should and doesnt pong of diesel.

Im quite a diesel engine dipstick user, tractors, combines, loader, bobcat,generator even lawn mower , so Im qualified to evaluate oil on a dipstick, truth and jest combined there 6% fuel dilution would be hard to notice on a dipstick .

Still no issues with car, a clip fell of inside boot after Mrs G overloaded it with shopping,

If you open door on a sidehill dont try and hold it open with your foot pushing lower part of door as its plastic and needs thumping back on after , normal door holding behaviour on all other cars Ive had.

My employee has DS 1 year old , zero issues apart from reversing into a post that the sensors somehow managed to miss.

friend had a had a used DS for 6 month, electric tailgate jammed shut thats all At work
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Andy, re the software update …. Per the bulletin JLR is updating the software to split the service indicator so it can show either a message saying just an oil service is needed (for the oil dilution issue), or a full service is needed (based on time & distance).

CG …. As you say, the threshold of 6.1% oil dilution is impossible to assess visually, however JLR do state that when 6.1% dilution is reached the “service required” message will be triggered and continued vehicle operation with high oil dilution will result in engine failure. That’s a strong statement! I would resent paying for early oil changes even if the vehicle is dated after the get out clause was added to the handbook and marketing literature.

I don’t have a DS, still happy with the Freelander I already have, but the oil dilution saga is relevant to all of us in that it shows how JLR is approaching the issue by hiding behind a newly inserted get out clause in the handbook and marketing literature. Not acceptable if you’ve bought and intend to keep long term what they continually tell us is a premium vehicle?