https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/self-d...spartanntp

I am going to keep counting to ten just in case mankind forgets how

I still cannot for the life of me understand the point of these things  2017 SEAT Ateca 4drive 2.0 xcellence (May 2022 -
2007 HSE with HST bodykit in Zermatt Silver 169,700 miles (dec 2016 - May 2022 )
2007 Honda Civic Type S GT (2012-2017)
2002 Mini Cooper S (2008-2012)
1992 Honda Legend 3.2i (2003-2008)
1990 Honda Concerto (1999-2003)
1985 Honda Accord (1997-1999)
1983 Honda Accord (1993-1997)
1983 Mini Mayfair (1988-1993)
1974 Mini 1000 (1979-1986)

so that we won't drive, they will have total control, no more speeding, accidents etc, don't know how the government will cope without robbing us for road tax as there would be no point in having your own car, just taxi's. Common sense isn't very common.
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2007 Land Rover Freelander2 I6 hse Auto

Two issues come to mind
1 The early autonomous cars are going to be VERY expensive. People who pay a premium for the first of something tend to be enthusiasts, enthusiasts tend to want to be involved in the process. I see a mismatch here. But better informed people than I are ploughing vast amounts of money into this.
2 When designing control systems, you have to take into account EVERY eventuality (I do this for a living), on a chemical plant the options are limited (large but limited) you can open valve 1, open valve 2, open both or neither, you know the consequences off all 4 actions, and can take appropriate action. Multiply this buy the hundreds of valves, heaters, pumps etc. in a plant and you get the idea of complexity. Human beings on the other hand are not predictable, the options are almost limitless, will they jump out in front of the vehicle, can the camera system see a pedestrian in white crossing the road against the glare of the setting sun?, is the road covered in 3" of water (is there a hidden obstruction below the water). I take my hat off to the teams that are writing the software - would I ever trust one to do the right thing in every eventuality NO, would I be happy that the car coming towards me is being driven autonomously - mmm probably better than the wife driving towards me  Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Northcroft wrote:

I still cannot for the life of me understand the point of these things

Because for 90% of people, driving is a chore and just a necessity to get from A to B. For the rest of us, they'll just be getting in the way.
Mind you, good way to get home from the pub.  MY13 Santorini Black SD4 HSE

axle wrote:

so that we won't drive, they will have total control, no more speeding, accidents etc, don't know how the government will cope without robbing us for road tax as there would be no point in having your own car, just taxi's.

I think that once they become down a bit in price they will be very very popular. Doing the daily commute on the M74/M8 into Glasgow every day it already looks like loads and loads of people have self driving cars as although they are behind the wheel they are concentrating more on texting, applying makeup, reading the news paper, completing paperwork, eating breakfast, drinking coffee and other important stuff to have any time left for mundane stuff like actually paying any attention to the road. They must have every confidence in their "self driving" car as they carry all those tasks out whilst doing 60mph about 6 ft from the car in front.

For me I don't understand either...
For god sake get a Bus/Train/Taxi/Lift/Cycle/Walk i don't care.
For me I like the experience of driving and that's why I have owned some weird and wonderful cars over the years including a Citroen 2cv which I loved.

Let's keep driving real, I've just donned my flack jacket and helmet

ugg Don't wait for your Ship to come in.. Swim out and meet the Bl**dy thing (Barry Sheene)

Freelander HSE LUX SD4 2013 (6000 miles in..)
Discovery 300tdi 1998 (gone to the rust God) but not forgotten
Range Rover Autobiography 4.6 2000
Disco 200tdi
Defender 90 52 reg TD5
Hyundai Terracan 2004(my mud plugger)
Kawasaki KLZ 1000 2012
Suzuki T500 1970 (my Honey)

Yes any one who is anyone has owned and driven a 2CV. Mine was the weekend version, you took out the seats when having a picknick FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

I had 2 Dyanes in the 70's, the first went banana shaped after yumping across fields a bit too fast, the other, orange, had TWO buttons on the dash, wipers & goodness knows. Great fun to drive. In between I had a Sunbeam Tiger, bought & sold for £600, but it was very rusty. Really wanted an Ami 8 with the 4 cylinder GS engine, a rare beast then, quite dead now. FL2 Ex D2, D3, RRS, etc. now all gone.

Yorky Bob wrote:

Yes any one who is anyone has owned and driven a 2CV. Mine was the weekend version, you took out the seats when having a picknick

Going a bit off topic here but yes, Im in the Mini camp.
Lovely simplicity, fun to drive and smiles and waves from other road users.
Never had a tin snail or even driven one but would love one as well! Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

blacktiger wrote:

Northcroft wrote:

I still cannot for the life of me understand the point of these things

Because for 90% of people, driving is a chore and just a necessity to get from A to B. For the rest of us, they'll just be getting in the way.
Mind you, good way to get home from the pub.

yes good idea,but make sure you sit in the back,then when old nick nick pulls you/it over you can say nothing to do with me guv  gone
P38 v8 auto no problems,great howle from exhausts when giving it welly
Td5 auto head gasket,no5 pot not uncommon but good car.
1st Tdv6s manual epb problem fixed under warranty(stealer said"never heard of this before,i suggested he looked at d3 forum.
2nd Tdv6 se auto epb
3rd Tdv6 xs auto 2008,swmbo,s favourite.

Did anyone else notice the passenger in the front RIGHT HAND SEAT with a round thing loaded with buttons etc in front of him,keep his hands close to it,why would you do this?why was he not sitting in the back reading this months landrover international.?.
Then there is the blame game when some poor sod gets run over as just tragically happened in the states (thank god it was not a landrover,that would have got the anoraks against 4wds ranting)who gets done?the car?it cant be anyone in it surely as no one is driving.
When I see the adds where some smartarse in tv ads looking smug and letting the car reverse itself into a bay,all I see is some numbnuts who cant reverse  gone
P38 v8 auto no problems,great howle from exhausts when giving it welly
Td5 auto head gasket,no5 pot not uncommon but good car.
1st Tdv6s manual epb problem fixed under warranty(stealer said"never heard of this before,i suggested he looked at d3 forum.
2nd Tdv6 se auto epb
3rd Tdv6 xs auto 2008,swmbo,s favourite.