Bio-Diesel contributes to the famine in this world. ABOLISH BIO-DIESEL!

I cant understand how anybody in their sane mind wants to contribute to the famine of the world. Dont you read newspapers? Dont you watch the news on TV? Bio-Diesel is the worst that has ever happened to the 3rd world.

Show some responibility! Say NO to Bio-Diesel!
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Bio-Diesel contributes to the famine in this world. ABOLISH BIO-DIESEL!

Yepp quite agree Viking - Now CG what about developing a fuel from chicken poo alternative that works in diesel engines, practically suited to FL2's  2007 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Manual with Premium Pack & Moonroof.
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Thanks for all that guys.

I have to say that my main interest has been on running cars other than FL2 on veg oil or biodiesel.

I have basically picked up the following tips;
1) Avoid using straight veg oil on any car with a Lucas injection pump.
2) Bosch fuel pumps are tolerant of veg oil (which is less viscous)
3) Indirect injection engines generally work well on veg (particularly old peugeots/citreons) as long as they don't have lucas fuel pumps.
4) Most DI engines (particularly VW mercedes) seem to be well suited on running on blends of veg oil particularly if fuel pre-heaters are used.
5) Direct injection engines with high pressure pumps and common rail or unit injectors don't take well veg, and by the sound of it, don't like bio-diesel either (Hence FL2 and TDV6 problems).
6) Lucas pumps can be used with quality bio diesel with few problems reported.
7) Lucas pumps/IDI engines can run on vegoil, if equiped with suitable fuel heaters and twin fuel tanks. Conversion kits approx £300-400 or DIY £150 ish.

My daughter has an old peugeot 106 1.5D which I intend to run round on bio-diesel (as it has a Lucas pump,so cant run on veg oil).

ALso considering buying (family bus for the wife) an old Mitsi shogun or similar to run round on waste (filtered) vegoil. Would buy a LR but they all seem too fussy (even TD5) and also seem far too susceptible to tin worm.

All in all want to use my tax free allowance of 2500 litres giving cheap motoring and taking a little away from that overpaid tax man.


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Sorry Andy

Forgot to say,I agree fully with you about bio-diesel taking foodstock away from famine areas.

However I have no intention of raiding Tesco's shelves of all their finest veg oil. I intend to only use filtered waste veg oil from local restaurants, many of whom have difficulty in effectively disposing of their used oil.
Some go's in bins, some down the drain (both not env. friendly!) and some they have to pay people to take away.

Thus I would be waste oil reprocessing saving carbon emissions in several ways;
- Avoiding purchasing hydrocarbon derived diesel.
- Avoiding driving to petrol station (picking up waste oil on fast food trips!)
- Reducing carbon emissions of waste disposal.
- Reducing carbon emissions of waste oil processors (whatever they do with it).

I think its all wins!

Anybody local to Leeds want waste veg oil collecting!!

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Just to respond to a point made earlier, diesel already contains 5% bio. In Germany they want to increase it to 10% from next year, but now experts are warning that 10% bio will mess up everyones engines and are trying to block it. Its a con, we pay the same duty for a liter, even though 5% is bio fuel. - Mike

Just thought I'd re-open this debate, having had the experience of running three cars around for about 12 months on proper 100% bio-diesel made from waste veg oil colleced from restaurants. I always check/test each batch before use, to ensure 100% quality and avoid any potential missfueling issues.

I have had absolutely no problems with any of the cars (Peugeot 106 1.5D, Saxo 1.5D, Volvo XC90 D5 2005), and my wallet has been much healthier for the experience.

I am experimenting with the FL2, and have put about 30% bio-d in this tank.
i.e. the same blend now sold by many Morrisons fuel stations.

Car runs great, and no ECU check lights etc.

(Sorry for all you doom mungerers - Particularly VIKING and Chicken George - you really should read the posts, before condeming the environmental issues.

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Just also learned that the FL2 engine is the same as the one used in the Mitsubishi outlander, citroen 4x4 and Peugeot 4007.

Peugeot warrant the engine for 30% bio-diesel, so technically it must be up to the job and capable of running on blends of greater than 30% biodiesel/70% dino diesel.

Makes me rest a bit easier on my quest for carbon useage reduction.


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I put about 15 ltrs of Bio in the tank by mistake a few months ago, filled up the rest of the way with normal diesel but also added three full measures of Millers in between. Worked out I had about a 20-25% mix of Bio.

Driving really carefully for the next few hundred miles, I was absolutley bricking it convinced I was in for a big repair bill, but it seems that I have got away with it as 5,000 miles on its still running as sweet as a peach.

I don't normally use supermarket fuel and you have to be careful as Morrisons pumps are not that different in their signage - Well apart from the fact that one does say BIO  FL2 TD4 XS Santorini

Nothing you do will have the slightest effect on global warming, the world's overpopulated and under resourced, and the vast majority namely US, Russia, China and the 3rd world couldn't give a damn.

Might as well just enjoy your life and drive what you want, once your dead your dead, after all your not coming back, no, really, your not. And Santa doesn't exist.

Bring back V8's and 50p litre petrol and lets go out with a bang! 58 HSE, auto, lago grey, tints. Mine and my dogs Storm and Sky
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markconnor33 wrote:

(Sorry for all you doom mungerers - Particularly VIKING and Chicken George - you really should read the posts, before condeming the environmental issues.

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You have misunderstood me completely. What I ban, is using cornfields and such for making bio-diesel. That resulted in more expensive corn (more expensive to make tortillas and such), and causing hunger and problems for those less fortunate. THAT IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Taking food out og poor peoples mouth to fill up my tank is simply horrible. And that is what has been done.

So with all my heart, I ban bio-diesel!

Making bio-diesel from waste is OK, but will never give sufficient fuel, so that is a blind alley.
But if you can fill up all the cars in the world with fuel made from waste and garbage, I am all for it.

But making bio-diesel from fields initially intended to grow food, -NO WAY! 2008 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Automatic, Caspian Blue, Alpaca, Moon roof, Exclusive pack.

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Nothing you do will have the slightest effect on global warming, the world's overpopulated and under resourced, and the vast majority namely US, Russia, China and the 3rd world couldn't give a damn.

Might as well just enjoy your life and drive what you want, once your dead your dead, after all your not coming back, no, really, your not. And Santa doesn't exist.

Bring back V8's and 50p litre petrol and lets go out with a bang!

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Hi,

i own a 2007 FL2 HSE. I have ran it on 100% bio for 6 months now, after 2 full tanks of bio i had the fuel filter changed as precautionary. It runs beautifully, i can only describe it as feeling like it has been given cough mixture, you are right, it cleans, it has the same properties as the redex you add to diesel to clean out engine, i have had no concerns and believe Landrover and a lot of manufacturers say NO BIO, in the same way as clothing manufacturers says Dry clean only[, its just to cover their own backside i suspect




Have not tried running on Bio, as my car is on lease, and didn't want to risk any warranty issues.

Will be looking to use on other cars though, and am actually looking at going into small scale production,as there are few suppliers in the Leeds area.

Any pledges of support for a Bio diesel production/sale site in North Leeds?

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Yes a biodiesel processor for your garage approx £500. I was thinking the same thing.
It seems though after Tonyjones comment that it's a big no no as far as FL2's are concerned.
Strange, after doing some research on the subject the overriding impression is that biodiesel is actually
good for your engine as it cleans deposits left by burning fossil fuel, and the only downside is that filters may have to be changed/checked more regularly. Presumably it is something to do with the higher injector pressures of modern diesels I think this needs someone more qualified to comment.
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Why can't someone invent a method of using of water to turn into a fuel, I bet the water companies wouldn't let so much go to waste then!! [/quote]

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Why can't someone invent a method of using of water to turn into a fuel, I bet the water companies wouldn't let so much go to waste then!! [/quote]

Here's the thing. Monsieur Diesel invented an engine to run zee submarines of la Navy Francaise on. We're not talking steam engines here folks but something which could run on an almost endless supply of liquid....something a submarine could easily get a hold of! As some of you will already know, diesel engines work by compression so that's why it's possible (with some alterations) to run such an engine on any fluid and that is precisely what Monsieur Diesel originally designed.

Jump forward almost a century and what has since become known as 'a Diesel engine', is an oil-based (Forecourt Diesel is an oil... it's slippery and doesn't take a flame easily. It's also named after Monsieur Diesel but has nothing to do with him), cousin to the original design but it has been altered to work with certain compression ratios, among other things. This is why it's possible to run a diesel engine on sunflower oil....or any veg oil for that matter BUT it is first necessary to have a few minor alterations done to the engine so that it can cope with the different substances. There are lots of cars which can run on pure veg oil, Merc Benz 190E's for a start. I know because i've done it and had the car not fallen to bits due to age, I would still be running it on what was once cheap supermarket veg oil (Sunflower).

One major issue with this 'let's save the planet' lark, is that with all the best will in the World, running Diesel (modern) engines on veg oils, is definitely not the answer to fuel or food shortages. Redesigning engines to run more cleanly is. Burn any oil and you'll produce carbon, so if the belief is that the planet is being suffocated by carbon dioxide levels (man-made) and that by burning locally produced plant oils that this effect is reduced or negated, this is definitely wrong. There is no conclusive evidence which supports man-made global warming any more than there is that a 'god' is causing it and the whole notion replies on belief and emotion. There is evidence to support climate change and global temperature fluctuations but there as yet remains no direct causal link to humans being the source or cure for it. So this whole thing about saving the planet by not burning oil is fallacious and wreaks of the anti-(fill in the cause) movements.

So if you want to run your FL2 on pure veg oil, you're going to need to have a proper (Elsbett) conversion carried out and I have no doubt that it is then possible but for what aim? To appear to be 'green' while operating a 2 ton 4x4 under the false apprehension that burning veg oil is somehow a better choice than forecourt diesel oil? It's BS! Or did you seriously think the BP logo just coincidentally looks a lot like a sunflower?!

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